Nodana - Phoenixd As A Service \ stacker news ~lightning

2011 sats \ 24 comments \ @t0m 13 May lightning

Hey everyone

I wanted to take this opportunity to let you know about my new project Nodana.

In a nutshell, it enables you to run phoenixd in the cloud using a CLI. No registration, personal details or credit cards required. I’ve been running an instance for Sintra (my other project), replacing a more "traditional" Lightning node (from Voltage) and so far, so good.

In case you don’t know already, phoenixd is a lightweight, specialised Lightning node from ACINQ with automated channel management and liquidity.

I’m looking for some beta testers with small projects who would like to give this a try. Full support on offer to help you get set up.

Feel free to register your interest or leave feedback either on here or via Nostr (link available on homepage).

Thanks all

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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @t0m OP 24 May

Hey all. Now able to accept test users. Got a limited number of API keys to give out so DM me on Nostr and I'll ping one over. Beta test keys come with 1m sats (sorry these can't be withdrawn to a wallet).

https://nodana.io

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @t0m OP 24 May

Sorry, not 1m... my bad. But it's enough to test things out.

0 sats \ 6 replies \ @erict875 13 May

Would it also be possible to use REST for interaction?

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @t0m OP 13 May

Interaction with the Nodana api you mean? If so then yes as the nodana-cli just calls these endpoints anyway. If you mean interaction with phoenixd then again yes as per their documentation. This would simply be a cloud-based version and you can call the endpoints in the normal way via your own dedicated connection uri.

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @erict875 13 May

Thanks for clarifying.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @t0m OP 13 May

No problem. By REST, I assumed you actually meant standard HTTP requests rather than use a cli. The Phoenixd API isn't particularly RESTful though fwiw but Nodana's will be.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @erict875 13 May

Minimal REST support only, according to their API doc: https://phoenix.acinq.co/server/api

What will you do differently, if I may ask?

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @t0m OP 13 May

I just mean Nodana's API (to control containers for example) will be a RESTful API but I would recommend using the cli anyway. Nodana doesn't control the Phoenixd API so you would need to consult their docs when interacting with it.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @erict875 13 May

Thank you.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @itsrealfake 13 May

hey, i'm interested to beta test. here's my situation:

i have a VPS running nginx
i have no LN node or BTC node running in VPS (yet, i'm pretty sure somebody could help me understand best practices here, but i've been delaying the project because i don't have the immediate understanding)
i'm comfortable in CLI tools (can setup a systemd service) but not a greybeard or anything cool like that
i have about 10 hours i could dedicate to getting this setup in the next week
having this in place would enable me to accept LN for my business (fundamentally, i need customers who will pay in LN... but cart/horse etc...)

hit me on nostr if you want.

1 sat \ 2 replies \ @t0m OP 13 May

Hi. So you won't need to add any systemd services or anything like that with this. All you would need to do is run something like "nodana start" and this will spin up a phoenixd instance. You can then connect to it from your app and call the phoenixd endpoints as per their documentation. It's what I do on Sintra - just create an invoice and then listen (via websockets) for when it's paid.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @itsrealfake 13 May

so, i'm relying on their lightning node?

3 sats \ 0 replies \ @t0m OP 13 May

Not quite sure what you mean by "relying on their lightning node" but with phoenixd there'll always be some dependence on ACINQ - in return you don't need to worry about channels and liquidity like you would need to with a standard Lightning node.

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @nerd2ninja 13 May

You should mention that the mobile app Phoenix, is FOSS and so you can fork it and point it to this said phoenixd instance

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @tolot 13 May

Tell me more about it. Is actually possible to tinker with the Phoenix wallet low level settings in order to connect with a swlf hosted phoenixd ?

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @nerd2ninja 13 May

Well, you're saying settings and I'm saying code

https://github.com/ACINQ/phoenix

This is the code. You gotta dig through it, find where it opens a channel with ACINQ, and point at yourself instead.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @tolot 13 May

Okay, I meant code. But is all the trampoline idea portable simply by changing a pointer to the node. I don't think so. But I never thought through it.

12 sats \ 0 replies \ @nerd2ninja 13 May

TBH, it might be easier to PCAP and point to your own DNS to trick it into thinking your server is ACINQ lol (There's probably a lightning node URI you gotta change in there though)

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @thewall 13 May

I'd like to know more.

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @t0m OP 13 May

Sure, anything in particular?

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @03ca60b62a 13 May

I too would like to know more.

What is this providing that phoenixd isn't already? You mention a cli, but the phoenixd cli already looks pretty straightforward.

100 sats \ 2 replies \ @t0m OP 13 May

Hey. So the cli I mention is to administer Nodana, not phoenixd. For example, you can start and stop phoenixd containers with the cli. Nodana provides the cloud based phoenixd instance without you needing to spin up a server, configure it, set up Nginx, DNS etc. I guess some people will be happy to do the server admin stuff and some won't be. Hope that answers your questions.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @03ca60b62a 14 May

Ok, sounds to me like a docker compose with Phoenixd & some common dependencies, similar to what a Helm chart for Kubernetes would do. Is that a fair comparison?

Also, would this tool let you change the network configurations (i.e IP vs TOR)?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @netstatic 14 May

Docker compose is an implementation detail. His service offers hosting. Think Heroku, except more specialized because the only thing he's hosting is phoenixd.