I'd actually never heard of Sagan before seeing this clip, but I really liked how he explained it. Such a simple analogy for something that's incredibly difficult to wrap your head around.

Definitely made me question how much of reality we're simply incapable of perceiving.

That's a better way to put it. Bitcoin's real advantage isn't becoming gold, it's having some of gold's downside protection while keeping the upside of a tech asset. You want both.

Thank you! I don't really care about the rest. My point has remained that if federal workers are overrepresented, then they dont need DEI stuff. Private sector, keep/pay for it if they want too.

Nope, I'm attacking your federal DEI point specifically. You complain Trump ended federal DEI programs. Your own numbers show Black workers are already significantly overrepresented federally, so it doesnt matter that the government ended them because they are not needed.

The rest of your post is irrelevant. As stated in other threads with you, I only expose bad facts or twisted narratives...and yours is surrounding the federal workforce.

You're complaining about Trump ending federal DEI while pointing out black workers are already overrepresented federally.

So what representation problem is race-based DEI supposed to fix?

It wrecks the idea that the federal needs DEI to achieve representation.
Your numbers show black overrepresentation was reached, so the government doesnt need those policies any more.

So it's not just white people you want to discriminate against, it's Asians too huh.

Wait...THAT'S your example?

Blum recruited Asian plaintiffs because they were being disadvantaged by race-based admissions...and they won at the Supreme Court. So your big “gotcha” is reminding the Asian guy that Asians successfully challenged racial discrimination against Asians?

You really didn't think that one through.

I understood your argument. I just noticed the part that wrecked it and called you out on it...you've been trying to pivot everything since...and now to the Blum thing, thank you for bringing up such a great example! The court made the right call...no racial discrimination for admissions, thanks!

Ok, so...still same principle.

Right...the “tactic” of quoting your own numbers and asking you to reconcile them with your own argument. Terrifying stuff.

So your argument is basically that Asians challenging racial discrimination doesn't count because a white guy helped organize the lawsuit?

Blum's motives don't change the principle, Asian applicants shouldn't be disadvantaged because they're Asian.

Lol, YOU introduced the federal workforce as evidence supporting your argument. Now that YOUR numbers show Black workers are about 40% overrepresented there, suddenly examining that evidence is “in isolation.” That's not twisting your claim, it's testing it.

KKK leader doesnt work on me, I'm Asian moron, but you already knew that...you just don't have anything better to call.

Except we're talking about the federal workforce, where YOUR numbers showed Black workers are about 40% overrepresented relative to their workforce share.

Shifty Yermin trying to switch to the entire US workforce because that fact becomes inconvenient.

So again, if you want “fair representation,” what's the problem here?

Wrong, you're the one calling for "fair" representation and now you have overrepresentation, but that's not good enough, so what is?

Lol, another shift.
We were discussing race-based hiring preferences, and now you've redefined “race-based DEI” to be a black organization developing talented black people and companies recruiting from it.