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87 sats \ 8 replies \ @Undisciplined 13 Jun \ on: Portland's Politics and the Fall of Big Pink econ
I have a really hard time seeing how the West Coast gets out of the mess their in. Their so ideologically locked in to this trajectory that even as it falls apart around them, they won't even entertain that they might have been wrong.
I think it could happen quicker than you think. I think social views are like a Veblen good, and thus when their liberal views are no longer fashionable, the consensus can shift pretty quickly. In other words, few of these ideologues are true believers, and once these beliefs no longer signal virtue they'll quickly switch to different beliefs.
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I hope that's right. It just doesn't fit with my experience of these people. I may not live on the West Coast, but most of my social circle does.
I could imagine them allowing for some realities eventually, but not giving up the premises that generated the errors. Eventually, there will be a generational shift in values, I suppose.
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From everything I read, it looks like gen Z is moving to a more “conservative” way of thinking.
I think the pendulum swings more on a time scale than a generational scale. Also, as people get older they seem to get more “conservative”, don’t they?
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as people get older they seem to get more “conservative”, don’t they?
Normally, I think, but I'm not sure it holds out there.
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I just noticed it in people around me. The older they are, sometimes, the more conservative they get. I have some neighbors in their 70s and 80s that seem pretty darn conservative.
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Looking at the ideologies as Veblen goods is a new approach to me. It seems that a lot of the people taking these views are motivated more by envy than status. Although, I can see the point of your argument that if it suddenly becomes an anti-Veblen good things would change quickly. I just wonder if this approach has ever been tried. How fast would the change be, do you think?
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What they want to do to the rest of the country is happening to them first! They are trying to destroy the economy and the civilization to be able to build their progressive/lefty/collectivist/Marxist/socialist/communist/murderers’ utopia. Many of us know it has never happened and never will happen with progressive/lefty/collectivist/Marxist/socialist/communist/murderers in charge of the state. We have seen it too many times already. What is most disgusting is that even in China, slavery is making a big comeback under this utopian dream that they have in store for everyone.
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I think the people will have to live with their choices until the choices hurt. Then, hurt some more until they change their choices. I guess a lot of people only learn the hard way.
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