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Is Bitcoin Lightning feasible for contactless retail payments on the go?
208 sats \ 22 comments \ @beameduplol 17 Jul bitcoin
I have used LN-BTC to purchase giftcards for some games I play and services I use. I've noticed you can even pay your phone bills or groceries by purchasing giftcards for those with your Bitcoins.
While I love online payments in that sense, how about a standard merchant accepting Bitcoin Lightning? I do recall Breez having a "Merchant Mode", but I don't know how practical it is, simply as I am not a merchant.
Is it just a concept that is yet to spring into (mainstream) action? I have heard about that one Burger place that accepts Bitcoin Lightning, but not much else in terms of retail mainstream acceptance of Bitcoin. I would love to see consumers be able to use their satoshis to refuel their car, shop for instant noodles at convenience stores, etc. Not have to pre-purchase (and then also use within the allocated time & not forget about it) a giftcard then walk to a store/order online.
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162 sats \ 1 reply \ @carter 17 Jul
I think it is... I've been looking into integrating with toast https://doc.toasttab.com/doc/devguide/apiCreatingAnOrderWithPaymentInformation.html They have a way to mark orders as paid so you really just need a way to show a lighting invoice qr code to the customer. Like you said they do this for self checkout at the burger place. I was thinking you could have some tablet or similar to allow them to pay and as soon as the invoice is paid the restaurants lighting node can mark the check paid via their api
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @beameduplol OP 18 Jul
The toast you linked to looks exactly like what you'd normally see in a kiosk. Seems like the technology is there, now need to see it be integrated.
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40 sats \ 18 replies \ @eluc 18 Jul
Check: BTCpay server, LNbits (PoS extension), merchant app like SwissBitcoinPay and the Boltcard standard. All of this exist and is happening today, maybe not near you but in Lugano Switzerland a lot of merchant accept Bitcoin Lightning (thus their system is not comptabile with contactless boltcards. Also in El Salvador, in some places, you can use Bitcoin. Their are many communities, check the map on btcmap.org and try paying at a merchant or get a boltcard and test yourself with breez or another compatible app.
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0 sats \ 17 replies \ @beameduplol OP 18 Jul
Unfortunately, I live in a place where most people do not know what Bitcoin is, and the "educated" say it is a scam/not real money. Despite many bank closures & insane inflation recently haha.
Thank you for the information, since Bitcoin Lightning implementation is spreading to smaller places, I can only hope that by the remainder of the decade, we integrate LN- BTC here.
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14 sats \ 16 replies \ @DarthCoin 18 Jul
LN- BTC
Please stop saying that, is wrong. Only shitcoienrs use that term, trying to give the impression that there's a different bitcoin than BTC. There's ONLY ONE Bitcoin.
Bitcoin over LN (Lightning Network) is just bitcoin, nothing else. Bitcoin onchain = the vault, the long term holding, your bank Bitcoin on LN = the payment network, your spending pockets, your daily spending.
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0 sats \ 15 replies \ @beameduplol OP 18 Jul
Where do I imply that there is another Bitcoin? The hyphen exists to indicate it is a different layer, similar to how others differentiate ERC20-USDT or BEP20-USDT.
I use that term for convenience, and it is also how a lot of others I know use it. Not a single one of the people have misinterpreted it as an altcoin.
I would also suggest you to be a little less aggressive next time, if a Bitcoin beginner got this as a response, they would likely start to develop a "hate" against Bitcoin.
You have been the first person to be this mad about saying LN-BTC instead of "Bitcoin Lightning". Convenience is an issue eh 😁
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0 sats \ 12 replies \ @LibertasBR 18 Jul
they would likely start to develop a "hate" against Bitcoin.
They’re the ones who lose with all that whining.
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0 sats \ 11 replies \ @beameduplol OP 18 Jul
while true, I do think it's more productive in trying to be as "forgiving" to any newbies as possible rather than pretending like it's a very simple concept and it is their issue for not getting it by their second week.
Vocal minority. The ones who whine make up a big "voice", whilst the stackers usually do not want to participate in random social drama. Waste of time. I try to look at the bigger picture here
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 18 Jul
Aggressive? LOL I start by saying the word "please"... You really do not want to see me mad. Nowadays people are so delicate pussies that get offended by the word please ...
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @beameduplol OP 18 Jul
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive-aggressive_behavior
You are not flexing or cool when you say "You do not want to see me when I'm mad" 😂
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @spiderman 11h
Go to btcmap and you will find plenty of merchants that accept bitcoin around the world. They are not spread uniformly across all geographies but some central european countries have more than others. Asia, as expected, is a laggard because of their authoritarian culture.
Yes, lightning is made for small retail transactions. The only things preventing faster adoption are merchants' own awareness. So we are still early.
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