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List of Bitcoin Swap providers in 2025 - Lightning ←→ Onchain (and more)

646 sats \ 32 comments \ @supratic 18 Jul lightning

⁂ include other L2 swap Options are deliberately listed in reversed alphabetical order

Service Provider	SwapOut BTC←LN	SwapIn BTC→LN	AltcoinIn 💩→LN	Fees	Website Link
ZEUS Swap	✓	✓	X	(←0.5% or →0.1%) + network	swaps.zeuslsp.com
Trocador	✓	✓	✓	compare different services	trocador.app
Robosats BEST4PRIVACY	✓	✓	⁂	P2P	learn.robosats.org (🧅)
SwapMarket MiddleWay+Eldamar	✓	✓	⁂	(←0.5% or →0.1%) + network	swapmarket.github.io
Lightning Terminal Loop	✓	✓	X	variable (?)	terminal.lightning.engineering/liquidity
FixedFloat	✓	✓	✓	float 0.5% - fix 1.0%	ff.io
Bolt Exchange	✓	✓	⁂	(←0.5% or →0.1%) + network	boltz.exchange

Any other service missing?

Either is LN → BTC, BTC → LN or any other option → LN

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32 sats \ 18 replies \ @supratic OP 18 Jul

Why have I listed alt💩coin options? Ideally, want to help others, including some people I know IRL, get rid of it. Especially for those of you that still using kyc exchanges... if you are willing to jump out, here are a few options for you to try.

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @DarthCoin 18 Jul

Wrong. Shitcoiners MUST eat their shit. Ask yourself: who in the right mind will give away his sats for a shitcoin ? You have to be insane to do that. Also what is a bitcoiner that is buying shitcoins with his sats? A shitcoiner! If you play with shit, you smell like shit.

I REPEAT: SHITCOINERS MUST EAT THEIR SHIT. ENTIRELY, PIECE BY PIECE. FUCK'EM

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @supratic OP 18 Jul

Why so negative! I'm giving them the options to easily swap their shitcoin to LN (only) I did not want to list any other swap service that allow shitcoin to bitcoin onchain (BTC), firstly I made it clear in the table that is ONLY Shitcoin to Lightning. Secondly because are so many scam that are not even worth to mention. I made a big effort mentioning Trocador and FixedFloat, but are good outRamp for shitcoin, (or at least)

Anyway, the main focus of this exercise was BTC to LN and vice versa. Don't want to go in the shitcoin dilemma... Just offering a side way to get out of that dirty stuff!

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 18 Jul

Negative?! No way! I am very nice saying that they should eat their shit...

As I said: ask yourself - why a sane bitcoiner would give his sats for a shitcoin? If you do that, you are NOT a bitcoiner, you are a shitcoiner. Instantly. Why helping losers? Shitcoiners are losers forever, by definition.

They must feel the pain of their mistakes (aka eat their shit)

118 sats \ 2 replies \ @supratic OP 18 Jul

What do you mean "they should eat their shit"? I don't think is a reasonable response to give people asking me how to get bitcoin lightning outside KYC exchanges?

why a sane bitcoiner would give his sats for a shitcoin?

You know better than me that these services having mixed shitcoins aren't bitcoiner... they want shitcoin? Let them have it...

But for those that want to get rid of shitcoin.... what else should they do? These services better than KYC exchanges. I'm a bit more optimistic, leaning to give a second chance to people that make mistakes, instead of marking them forever as losers. I usually have a top limit of 3 opportunities, after that I give up.

9 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 24 Jul

what you meant to say was, why so repetitive? can't you say something new once a year?

11 sats \ 0 replies \ @supratic OP 24 Jul

🤣 different flavors of the same perspective

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @softglitter2d 18 Jul

It's OK for me to put in your list the altcoin option. Besides, it's not our money but the the one who choose, y'know?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @supratic OP 18 Jul

I agree, thanks for your understanding

0 sats \ 9 replies \ @Bell_curve 18 Jul

Boltz not Bolt lol

Coinos is a defacto swap service because you can deposit on chain or lightning and withdraw on chain or lightning

trigger alert: there is a third option L-BTC

11 sats \ 8 replies \ @supratic OP 18 Jul

true, thanks for mentioning it, so does it use L-BTC to swap BTC→L and viceversa? or you're saying L-BTC is simply another option?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 24 Jul

I can deposit L BTC into my account then withdraw lightning or on chain

and vice versa and anyother combination you like

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 23 Jul

L BTC is a third option

Because usage is low there are never problems with liquidity

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @d680ecaa8e 18 Jul

Dear imagine that for example I send 0.1 BCH and price flunctuates in FF IO this means I lose my money and invoice of BTC LN is not paid. They doesn't offer a wallet that you refill then cash out BTC LN later.

111 sats \ 4 replies \ @supratic OP 18 Jul

You must learn to get your own non-custodial wallet first

11 sats \ 3 replies \ @d680ecaa8e 18 Jul

i am on coinos it is best wallet for btc ln as personal experience, those wallets how offer seed phrase are little risky because if someone reveal 24 seed phrases you simply lose your money, it is true some sites only accepts wallets of bitget or metamask but don't keep much money, going to zap this post with 100 sats because you raised important point.

11 sats \ 2 replies \ @supratic OP 18 Jul

thank you, at some stage you'll recognize what's worth to use and what need to be avoided at any cost. Yes agree, coinos is one good choice between the few non-custodial we currently have.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 23 Jul

I recommend it to all beginners

Because I have recommended it so much I have used it more than I anticipated

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21 sats \ 2 replies \ @criptopanas 18 Jul

You could add: lnp2pbot where you can sell SATS on LN and receive onchain (The same as Robosats). Also Coinos allows you to do swap in and out for a small fee.

11 sats \ 0 replies \ @supratic OP 18 Jul

no way I found the option to swap, or create, nor find an offer BTC to LN or the other way around with Bisq2... are you sure is possible?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @supratic OP 18 Jul

Thanks for the info, I was just verifying that (Bisq and lnp2pbot). Not added initially as they were mainly fiat offramps to bitcoin. Glad to see they are offering more options.

DO you know if Mostro is doing the same?

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @spiderman 18 Jul

Excellent compilation, I wish there was a way to bookmark a post on SN like Substack.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @supratic OP 18 Jul

Thanks, there's a way to bookmark... hit the ... near the territory

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @d680ecaa8e 18 Jul

I don't like these swap services because if price flunctuates you lose your money.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @criptopanas 18 Jul

You don't lose your funds.

Boltz does atomic swaps. Fixed Float, you can "fix or block" the exchange rate for a small period of time.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @supratic OP 18 Jul

is referring to other stuff don't know about #1044234

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @d680ecaa8e 18 Jul

dear if invoice for example is 1000 satoshis and price of bch has increased or decreased, the final amount will be 1002 satoshis or 998 satoshis, I was thinking this will let BTC LN invoice that you generate for deposit is not paid because you send BCH to pay an invoice to deposit to your bitcoin LN wallet like blink, nostr, coinos, bitln etc

11 sats \ 0 replies \ @supratic OP 18 Jul

you still having bch? wow...

you'll get 998 or less. The amount received will always be slightly reduced because there are network (bitcoin onchain) fees to be considered plus at least the 0.5% for the operator. Lately we had really low mempool fees, so good time for swaps and opening channels!

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @supratic OP 18 Jul

How? Can you be more specific? Which one are you talking about?

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 18 Jul

I can vouch for Trocador and Fixed Float

Is Zeus swap new?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @supratic OP 18 Jul

yes, Zeus swap is pretty new #1008785

Never used Trocador, are the services they compare fees with kyc?