⁂ include other L2 swap Options are deliberately listed in reversed alphabetical order
| Service Provider | SwapOut BTC←LN | SwapIn BTC→LN | AltcoinIn 💩→LN | Fees | Website Link |
| ZEUS Swap | ✓ | ✓ | X | (←0.5% or →0.1%) + network | swaps.zeuslsp.com |
| Trocador | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | compare different services | trocador.app |
| Robosats BEST4PRIVACY | ✓ | ✓ | ⁂ | P2P | learn.robosats.org (🧅) |
| SwapMarket MiddleWay+Eldamar | ✓ | ✓ | ⁂ | (←0.5% or →0.1%) + network | swapmarket.github.io |
| Lightning Terminal Loop | ✓ | ✓ | X | variable (?) | terminal.lightning.engineering/liquidity |
| FixedFloat | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | float 0.5% - fix 1.0% | ff.io |
| Bolt Exchange | ✓ | ✓ | ⁂ | (←0.5% or →0.1%) + network | boltz.exchange |
Any other service missing?Any other service missing?
Either is LN → BTC, BTC → LN or any other option → LN
Why have I listed alt💩coin options? Ideally, want to help others, including some people I know IRL, get rid of it. Especially for those of you that still using kyc exchanges... if you are willing to jump out, here are a few options for you to try.
Wrong. Shitcoiners MUST eat their shit. Ask yourself: who in the right mind will give away his sats for a shitcoin ? You have to be insane to do that. Also what is a bitcoiner that is buying shitcoins with his sats? A shitcoiner! If you play with shit, you smell like shit.
I REPEAT: SHITCOINERS MUST EAT THEIR SHIT. ENTIRELY, PIECE BY PIECE. FUCK'EM
Why so negative! I'm giving them the options to easily swap their shitcoin to LN (only) I did not want to list any other swap service that allow shitcoin to bitcoin onchain (BTC), firstly I made it clear in the table that is ONLY Shitcoin to Lightning. Secondly because are so many scam that are not even worth to mention. I made a big effort mentioning Trocador and FixedFloat, but are good outRamp for shitcoin, (or at least)
Anyway, the main focus of this exercise was BTC to LN and vice versa. Don't want to go in the shitcoin dilemma... Just offering a side way to get out of that dirty stuff!
Negative?! No way! I am very nice saying that they should eat their shit...
As I said: ask yourself - why a sane bitcoiner would give his sats for a shitcoin? If you do that, you are NOT a bitcoiner, you are a shitcoiner. Instantly. Why helping losers? Shitcoiners are losers forever, by definition.
They must feel the pain of their mistakes (aka eat their shit)
What do you mean "they should eat their shit"? I don't think is a reasonable response to give people asking me how to get bitcoin lightning outside KYC exchanges?
You know better than me that these services having mixed shitcoins aren't bitcoiner... they want shitcoin? Let them have it...
But for those that want to get rid of shitcoin.... what else should they do? These services better than KYC exchanges. I'm a bit more optimistic, leaning to give a second chance to people that make mistakes, instead of marking them forever as losers. I usually have a top limit of 3 opportunities, after that I give up.
what you meant to say was, why so repetitive? can't you say something new once a year?
🤣 different flavors of the same perspective
It's OK for me to put in your list the altcoin option. Besides, it's not our money but the the one who choose, y'know?
I agree, thanks for your understanding
Boltz not Bolt lol
Coinos is a defacto swap service because you can deposit on chain or lightning and withdraw on chain or lightning
trigger alert: there is a third option L-BTC
true, thanks for mentioning it, so does it use L-BTC to swap BTC→L and viceversa? or you're saying L-BTC is simply another option?
I can deposit L BTC into my account then withdraw lightning or on chain
and vice versa and anyother combination you like
L BTC is a third option
Because usage is low there are never problems with liquidity
Dear imagine that for example I send 0.1 BCH and price flunctuates in FF IO this means I lose my money and invoice of BTC LN is not paid. They doesn't offer a wallet that you refill then cash out BTC LN later.
You must learn to get your own non-custodial wallet first
i am on coinos it is best wallet for btc ln as personal experience, those wallets how offer seed phrase are little risky because if someone reveal 24 seed phrases you simply lose your money, it is true some sites only accepts wallets of bitget or metamask but don't keep much money, going to zap this post with 100 sats because you raised important point.
thank you, at some stage you'll recognize what's worth to use and what need to be avoided at any cost. Yes agree, coinos is one good choice between the few non-custodial we currently have.
I recommend it to all beginners
Because I have recommended it so much I have used it more than I anticipated
You could add: lnp2pbot where you can sell SATS on LN and receive onchain (The same as Robosats). Also Coinos allows you to do swap in and out for a small fee.
no way I found the option to swap, or create, nor find an offer BTC to LN or the other way around with Bisq2... are you sure is possible?
Thanks for the info, I was just verifying that (Bisq and lnp2pbot). Not added initially as they were mainly fiat offramps to bitcoin. Glad to see they are offering more options.
DO you know if Mostro is doing the same?
Excellent compilation, I wish there was a way to bookmark a post on SN like Substack.
Thanks, there's a way to bookmark... hit the
...near the territoryI don't like these swap services because if price flunctuates you lose your money.
You don't lose your funds.
Boltz does atomic swaps. Fixed Float, you can "fix or block" the exchange rate for a small period of time.
is referring to other stuff don't know about #1044234
dear if invoice for example is 1000 satoshis and price of bch has increased or decreased, the final amount will be 1002 satoshis or 998 satoshis, I was thinking this will let BTC LN invoice that you generate for deposit is not paid because you send BCH to pay an invoice to deposit to your bitcoin LN wallet like blink, nostr, coinos, bitln etc
you still having bch? wow...
you'll get 998 or less. The amount received will always be slightly reduced because there are network (bitcoin onchain) fees to be considered plus at least the 0.5% for the operator. Lately we had really low mempool fees, so good time for swaps and opening channels!
How? Can you be more specific? Which one are you talking about?
I can vouch for Trocador and Fixed Float
Is Zeus swap new?
yes, Zeus swap is pretty new #1008785
Never used Trocador, are the services they compare fees with kyc?