Who deserves justice that hasn't yet received it? \ stacker news ~AskSN

I don't have time today. If you really want a different perspective on the man find The Real Lincoln by Thomas Dilorenzo. Guy has the receipts and was tarred and feathered for his work. Lincoln has been so lionized that it is American heresy to even quote him in his own words in a negative light. He was in short a tyrant. Slavery was not the real reason he led the nation into a war. He actually deported many slaves to Liberia. That was his preference.

At best he is a complex man and leader. He did some good but did so in very disastrous ways we are still dealing with. Slavery was only ended by war in one nation. The US. The war was fought to keep states from leaving the union (which was and still is their right). Saying any of this is no an endorsement of slavery or the confederacy but most people are so programmed they don't even think about this topic (I was for years). Probably took 15 years for me to be open to even consider what I was taught in school was a fairy tail (victors write the history thing).

I don't care to debate people on this. If you do the research and disagree. Cool. I'm glad slavery was "banned". I just don't buy the official line. The north and the south were evil in many ways. Its complicated. People like black and white. They think in booleans. I don't. Only when it comes to morals. The state is amoral.

2 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker OP 2h

I'm very open to the idea that Lincoln was a bad dude. I just brought him up because he and George Washington are usually cited as the most universally beloved presidents

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I would just add. I think we would be better served with a balanced and honest recounting of the past. Not what we are fed. Make up your own mind. But the presidency of Lincoln is responsible for many of the centralized powers many on the right love to complain about.

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 21s

Here's a quick summary

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @optimism 1h

I've always felt that "justice" has taken a strange form in the face of (world) order. For example: have victims of war or their families ever received justice? Will those of the current wars? Will those of the future? I'm pessimistic, but I'm also undereducated.

I discussed this with a friend not too long ago and at their recommendation I have Foucault's Discipline and Punish: The Birth of the Prison sitting on the ebook shelf waiting for me to read it. I guess your question is a sign that I should not procrastinate this and simply spend time reading this.

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IMO the justice system as it operates doesn't really provide justice. It doesn't provide restitution to most victims. Instead of the criminals being forced to work like they should the sit in prison providing no productive value to society.

Those that do work do not have their salaries sent to victims. The state loses money on the prison system and create more criminals. I've heard so decent suggestions for reform but it seems pretty hopeless to me. I don't see the state fixing the system.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @hasherstacker 4h

Victims of corruption and exploitation are denied justice because their voices are drowned out by systems designed to protect the powerful. The evil go unpunished not because their crimes are invisible, but because society chooses to look away.