1 sat \ 10 replies \ @nerd2ninja 5 Jan 2023 \ parent \ on: LNURL deposits coming to Muun Wallet soon! bitcoin
Its not just one guy on reddit I was just trying to give an example! Damn...
The point in arguing is to be clear about the words we use so that clearly different things are not conflated. Its the reason we say Bitcoin is not crypto (its a social construct) to further people's understanding. To make more clear what things are.
Even if most people stay confused, your sphere of influence matters.
To be honest with you, I don't think muun its a scam, the way how they use lightning is well explained on their blog, and they explained on tweets that the actual form of the wallet is not the final, and the goal is to migrate the funds to lightning channels in the future, they are trying to figure out how.
I find the attack to muun very political, seeing that other wallets like WoS who are custodial and not a wallet but a neobank, and they still define themselves on the website as bitcoin wallet, and still is well defended by people who attack muun for the "lightning definition", which kill their argument. as WoS do not represent bitcoin in any sense.
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Not a scam, just so poor of an implementation and explanation that it's frustrating users.
If your argument requires splitting hairs, you're going to confuse a great many of the people.
Imagine family Feud. We showed 100 audience members muun wallet. How many got pissed off and quit Bitcoin all together?
A Bitcoin lightning wallet needs to be able to send BTC LN transactions for a sat in a second without needing an on chain transaction for each LN transaction. Waiting more than a second makes it a busted ass half ass retarded dumb shit fix it fix it fix it stop making excuses kind of a solution.
Continue to apologize though. It's good sport. Unfortunately it emboldens the problem to sit unfixed. But whatever.
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Not a scam, just so poor of an implementation and explanation that it's frustrating users.
Not here to promote or defend Muum, I can understand your arguments and I agree.
But: where you see frustrated users? I see everywhere happy user that vote/promote Muum, without any apparent personal interest.
I suppose they are happy with it.
And usually negative feedback have an higher bias towards positive ones, so the latter seem genuine.
This should make everyone think about the importance of the users experience and how to bring them to the correct path of discover and experience a totally new technology.
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Bitcoin sucks What wallet did you use? Curious Muun
Okay but that's just some guy on Reddit
Why I switched from Muun wallet to Phoenix wallet.
I personally never used muun, but I still felt lied to when I found out all the people telling me about the muun lightning wallet were wrong because muun is using on-chain swaps for lightning not lightning by itself
and I find its causing problems where people link muun's on-chain fees are lightning network fees and believe lightning has failed as a result of their "lightning network" experience with muun.
Its the same problem I saw with people using "custodial wallets" as some people call them, like Chivo and thinking because that app sucks and those apps are Bitcoin, that Bitcoin sucks, when it isn't even Bitcoin at all.
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I think we can discuss with some real value only if we are able to share a personal experience.
You never used Muum and your data is from a couple of random guy, what are we talking about?
Nonsense.
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You have never used it and yet you have this strong of an opinion across so many comments and every time someone references Muun?
I'd suggest you install it, send 1000 sats to it and then send 1000 back and let's see what fees you will get...
(also I gave you 101 sats by accident here, so maybe those could go towards trying Muun? 😀)
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Yes, I have a strong opinion about it because I feel lied to. I'd have much more lax opinion if the nature of muun was upfront from the start. I absolutely will not be installing muun. I have a solution that works well for me and muun seems less than ideal by comparison for what I like to use LN to do.
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not sure who is lying to you.
how muun operates is now well known.
https://blog.muun.com/
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Nico just lied to me. He said muun is a lightning wallet: #117835
Everyone who told me muun is a lightning wallet has lied to me.
Oh I didn't mean that you switch to it as a main wallet or anything like that. I meant you install it to actually verify your claims and prove us all wrong for at most 1000 sats and then uninstall it (Muun has really simple UI, so this is less than 3 mins of work).
I think that's a good deal, but you do you 🙂
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