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20 sats \ 34 replies \ @jbschirtzinger 4h \ parent \ on: Anyone else going down the rabbit hole on the Charlie Kirk Assassination? news
No. There is an effort, and I think I've seen it in some of your previous posts, to pivot this discussion off the trans dating guy and onto Israel instead. That only works, of course, in theory, if the trans dating guy isn't the shooter.
Its not just two sides. Its many different sides. To me its pretty simple.
- The people that are focused on Israel being behind all of the problems in the US think they are behind it.
- The left wants it to be a right wing extremist that thinks Kirk was to hard enough on the left.
- The Fox news / MAGA crowd think its from the left/trans/antifa
A broken clock is right twice a day. Sometimes the mainstream story is more true than false. I'm prepared to be proven wrong but so far the other two positions seem like projection. Wishful thinking.
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Eh. It isn't that controversial. Trans people are unhinged as evidenced by the fact they are trans and think kids ought to be too. They don't want people speaking against the trans agenda, which is what he finished talking about when he was shot.
People hating on Israel are in for a rude awakening.
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What is the rude awakening going to be, do you think?
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That their hatred of Israel is really hatred of God.
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Israel is a secular state. Nations are people, not governments. The confusion about this has led to so much bloodshed. Just as we have had and still have corrupt politicians in the US, Israel does as well. There are a lot of misguided people on this Israel situation. People that literally hate Jews and think they are Christians and people that support every action of the state of Israel and think they are supporting Christian values.
Its all so tiresome.
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What drives me up the wall is the level of ignorance about the Israel government. Most conservative Christians that blindly support that government have no idea what it is like. Israel is not a government that conservative Trump voters would support if it were a party in the US. They do not know their theological history. They don't know that the popular positions on Israel are new and novel theological positions not shared by the orthodoxy of our faith. They have listened to modern preachers telling them they need to support the Israeli government for the US to be "blessed".
I'm fine with people taking Israels side in this. What I'm not fine with is blind allegiance to a secular government based on bad theology.
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Charlie said in this interview - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2qn0mvSCig&ab_channel=MegynKelly "I have less freedom to criticize Israel than Israeli citizens have. And that's weird, very weird".
As a matter of fact, I checked out a semi-mainstream Israeli newspaper (https://www.haaretz.com/), and it was full of articles that would cause you to be called anti-Semitic, in the US. You can read some articles via archive.vn if you want.
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Kirk and many on the right are starting to see that there are massive problems with how we talk about Israel. I don't think he was anti-Israel but he was making a point that there is this ridiculous double standard about even questioning the actions of their government and military.
The issue to me is that there is no room for grey areas. There is this you are with us or against us mentality. With some people you can't even be a little bit critical of what that government does or you are a Hamas supporter. Its absurd.
Many years ago I started to wonder why American Christians were so blindly supportive of that government. I started asking my family. Not because I disagreed. I didn't. I just wanted to know where it came from. People got very defensive and combative with me. So I had to do my own research.
Like many things, most people just kinda go along. They don't question. Its one reason we are in this current mess. People like Kirk that push back and do it in logic based arguments are gonna make people angry. Even if they are kind and respectful. Many times that makes people more angry.
Then you have the other side in this. The other extreme. Its a small number but they just hate Jews. Everything is the JEWS. Or, everything is an Israeli plot. Its dumb. Israel political parties do control many US politicians and try to gain support. Its not even a question really. But Israel does not run the US. Its the other way around.
I'm really not who you want to have this debate with. Our Church was smeared by people who were Anti-Semitic leftists in 2017. Charlie is the latest version of this problem in an upside-down way. Free speech is fundamentally broken in multiple ways.
Israel is a secular state.
Israel was formed as a fulfillment of Prophecy, post WWII. I'm not going to get into the specifics, but reading your Bible carefully should show you how this is so.
Nations are people, not governments.
Nations have governments since without them they cannot be nations.
Just as we have had and still have corrupt politicians in the US, Israel does as well.
Of course. When Israel had Kings, there were corrupt Kings. The Bible doesn't refer to those corrupt Kings as not Israel. Indeed, Israel is punished as a whole.
A work of God in Gaza is trying to be politicized. People might not like the fact that Prophetic Israel is larger than the current nation, but to them I'd say take the matter up with God. If you want a different solution, start praying for peaceful recognition of the authority of Israel in God and that He has mercy on those who are there.
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I'm wondering what aspects of your biblical understanding of Israel suggest anything specific regarding US foreign policy with regards to the current State of Israel?
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I'm not talking about US foreign policy. I'm talking about Prophetic fulfillment. The size of Israel is much larger than its current surface area. This is how God starts to make what He has spoken come to pass--just as WWII caused the land to be populated again.
I think the Maga crowd has been split. Half of them are completely pro Israel, and the other half not any more. And the younger half is the later.
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Well, that's the intent. Question is, who does that objective serve?
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