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74 sats \ 5 replies \ @SimpleStacker 10h \ parent \ on: Can Machines Think? It Doesn't Matter AI
I agree, but my statements are purely descriptive, not prescriptive. This is going to become a cultural debate, because most people in our culture are functionally materialists.
Their materialism is going to cause them great confusion on this subject, as it already has on other subjects.
Here's the deal though. Most materialists do not believe in negative rights. They do not believe that rights come from a creator or nature. They think they come from the state or some document. We see it here on SN even. So in that paradigm I can have the right to whatever and I can just identify as whatever. So in my opinion this debate about AI is pointless. It needs to go to the base assumptions under it. Rights and materialists assumptions. Adding AI to it is just noise and frankly it bothers me that many that do understand natural rights and negative vs. positive rights are getting sucked into humanizing these algos. Its a back door to many philosophical problems.
Thanks for bringing this up.
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I agree -- and I think you are thinking clearly. I am just not confident that the rest of society will (or even can) think clearly, because their baseline assumptions are just incoherent. If rights stems from politics then they're not even rights.
I agree it's noise, but so much of society is wrapped up around debating noise because they don't think straight, and actually can't think straight because of incoherent worldview.
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Yeah, you are on to something. I get a sense though that this view is not long for this world. I sense that there is a growing awareness that something is deeply wrong with society but people can't quite figure out what it is. Materialism is just part of this.
We have to remember that the majority of people are followers. The go along to get along. They don't think deeply. There's a small number of people that if they turn back to a more natural and dare I say mysterious and wondering view the world the masses will follow. It does feel like we are in a turning of the tides. It might just be the first waves of this but I do feel it. It might take a century for it to be complete but I feel it.
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You aren't wrong. Its one of the root problems in modern society that no one talks about.
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I suppose if I were to apply natural rights to AI one would say that the creator grants them rights if anyone would do it. The problems with this whole thing are multitude. IP law would be a problem since it would imply that the AI code is owned by a corporation. So then we get into slavery... I mean I have thought for a while that AI might be the thing that breaks our IP law nonsense finally. Not that it isn't already shot full of logical holes on how it is and isn't applied.
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