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271 sats \ 26 replies \ @siggy47 OP 14h \ parent \ on: Calle On Core/Knots bitcoin
Bot doesn't know I couldn't have written this😀
You're getting good at clocking those AI bots. I've already busted a couple that way. They try to sound like we wrote it, but it's just a quote! Haha
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I feel like I suck at it. I've zapped way too many of them before realizing it in retrospect. That's what happens when you let grandpa loose with new technology😀
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It's really hard to downzap against your 36 sats upzap in ~bitcoin_beginners for me. Easier in ~Politics_And_Law because I have a little better trust score there I guess.
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I'm hoping things improve because I am going to make a conscious effort to better catch this stuff.
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Maybe there should be an indication next to a nym that they have a lot of recently outlawed items.
So instead of only having no indication and outlawed by default if their trust score is really low, this could be something in between.
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I thought about this for 5 minutes and I think it would not be a good idea, because it will risk stigmatizing stackers too.
For example:
I post something really badly formulated or thought out and I annoy people. Then, I get downzapped and get a lot of pushback. I try to do better but I'm still mediocre and I don't get many zaps. Ok fine so far.
Now, I learn that I should think before I post, but I have an indicator that I have low trust... people will downzap me because I have bad reputation. How do I ever recover?
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If the goal is to disincentivize posting of slop, downzapping is most useful in limiting the visibility of the specific sloppy post or comment.
Attaching the downzap to an account will likely lead to more burner accounts (if my account ends up outlawed, I'll just create a new one...the kind of person who is willing to post slop, doesn't seem like they are very invested in a specific nym).
Also, if downzapping is powerful enough that it can lead to non-burner accounts being outlawed by default, don't we risk accounts with very high trust almost gaining mod powers without necessarily needing to spend equivalent significant sats to wield such powers?
All of which points in my mind to removing trust. Just let the sats be the algorithm. Downzaps lead to less visibility, zaps lead to better visibility -- for an item, not for an account. As long as there is a healthy Sybil fee, it may work put just as well (but with less complexity).
Every action on SN should be tied to a specific cost. Trust doesn't have a specific cost associated with it, and detaches the signal from the costliness.
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accounts with very high trust almost gaining mod powers
I have it on my own territory like that as I have ultimate trust there, so I think that this is a valid point. I don't want to have mod powers, but I do want to be able to downzap significantly.
Doesn't have to mean content gets outlawed even, just if someone types some reply that is half-thoughtful and someone pastes slop, I'd like to be able to make it be at the bottom, so that it's not as impactful. You'll basically have to scroll past the lazy takes to get to the zero effort c&p takes.
You're assuming it's easy to outlaw enough of your recent comments as someone who isn't new
If it's too easy, we can make it less easy
The indicator could also only be temporary, so it will go away itself after enough time even without you posting or comment 🤔
idk, I think there's something there haha
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You got a point. I'd rather see some kind of signal showing when a item gets downzaps.
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I think I already brought this up, but it'd be cool if there was some kinda indicator showing when a item got hit with a downzap from other stackers. Is there any good reason why this hasn't been implemented yet?
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like that 🔻
I don't think that's your biggest 'issue'. Your real 'problem' is you automatically assume everyone has good intentions, and that's just not the reality. You can't be that nice! Ahahah
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You're right. I'm working on being more of an asshole.
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😂 You gotta find a balance between the good and the bad. I just can't stick to the same side all the time.
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I know your heart's in the right place, and you're sending a clear signal to the stackers. But if you really think about it, when you downzap you're also telling the bot it messed up, and that's just gonna help it improve. We need AI bots stupid again! Ahahah
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Yeah, if that's the end result. But then again, sometimes they come back all upgraded. I still can't figure out the best way to handle these AI bots, though! I usually just ignore it, but every now and then I gotta hit 'em back just to see the reaction and get a little laugh when they reply! Ha! They usually don't even respond or drop any zaps.