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“Toxic Lightning Maximalist” actually a thing? Looking for a definition...

737 sats \ 14 comments \ @Car 11h lightning

I’m finalizing next week’s Startup Day Yucatán programming and my friend Chris Guida will be speaking. He is an amazing Lightning engineer + educator.

While checking his X profile I noticed the phrase “Toxic Lightning Maximalist.” is this a thing in the Lightning ecosystem?

I asked the guys in PL for a specific definition and they gave me a loose take, but I’d love to hear from the ~lightning territory here.

What does “Toxic Lightning Maximalist” mean to you?

I am more curious then anything and honestly think it would explain a lot of what goes on with the conversations we see here on SN in regards to sats, cc's and other lightning talk and infra being built in the broader ecosystem. If so whats your definition of it if there is one?

Also will ask him this question on stage at the event next week, will bring up this post.

Yes43.8%

No43.8%

Let me explain....Car12.5%

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271 sats \ 4 replies \ @DarthCoin 11h

toxic maximalist is not enough. You must be lightning extremist :) That means reject anything that is not pure BTC LN. Boycott the motherfuckers with all their bullshit fiat tokens and scams.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @kepford 11h

Honestly, I like extremist much better than toxic. I have no problem being extreme if I have a firm conviction that my position is the correct one. We hear a lot of people using the word extreme and they have no clue how massive the spectrum of thought actually is. They expose their very small view of the world when they do this.

77 sats \ 2 replies \ @DarthCoin 11h

LN extremist is also when you use exclusively LN for payments and onchain only to open/close LN channels. Nothing else matters.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 11h

Seems pretty pragmatic to me.

188 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 10h

The best representation of a LN extremist :)

365 sats \ 2 replies \ @justin_shocknet 10h

It's not enough to be a Lightning Maximalist, you must be toxic to fake L2 scams. Lightning is the only L2.

Guida seems to be pro-Ark, LN Symmetry, and Covenants that would give them a perception of legitimacy. All of which are attacks on Lightning, and at odds with Lightning maximalism. He was also very pro Bolt12... disturbing pattern of current-thing maximalism.

I hereby revoke his toxic lightning maxi card.

17 sats \ 0 replies \ @BlokchainB 8h

Hahaha

17 sats \ 0 replies \ @Car OP 10h

This is interesting and what I was looking for...I will ask him next week. Can you explain why you would classify its important to keep Lightning as the only L2? Curious as the reason for it?

75 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 11h

LOL, never heard of this. Kinda sounds absurd to me.

Especially since I have heard that a large number of "so called" toxic bitcoin maximalists are now pushing bitcoin treasury companies.

What does “Toxic Lightning Maximalist” mean to you?

When I hear toxic in front of anything I honestly think maybe some immaturity is at work. Feels like maybe someone has turned off their mind or maybe needs to touch grass. There's more to life than bitcoin.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @zapsammy 11h

https://www.etymonline.com/word/toxic

Greek toxikon (pharmakon) "(poison) for use on arrows," from toxikon, neuter of toxikos "pertaining to arrows or archery," and thus to a bow, from toxon "bow," which has been regarded as a loan-word from Scythian.

makes me think of the following proverb:

11 sats \ 0 replies \ @Fenix 4h

Do we first need to become toxic Bitcoin maximalists before becoming toxic Lightning maximalists, or can we jump straight to the latter? I ask because I'm working on the first one right now.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Scoresby 9h

There are lots of LN maxis but they aren't very toxic. I think this is because LN has never really had to fight for its life. This means not much toxicity.

@DarthCoin is an exception.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Car OP 4h

Split vote 🤔 and no clear definition on what a “Toxic Lightning Maximalist" is?

For example "Bitcoin Maximalist." Simple and easy.

Bitcoin only, no 💩 coins.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @035736735e 10h outlawed

stackers have outlawed this. turn on wild west mode in your /settings to see outlawed content.