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China has the USA/West over a barrel.
Without rare earths supply the US military industrial combine is broke. The US cannot fight a war with China or anyone without rare earths.
Trump started a trade war with China but China had prepared by investing in dominating global rare earths supply chains and now Trump must Beg for continued access to rare earths supply chains.
Libertarian nonsense that free markets always deliver better results than government involvement and investment in strategic markets has been demonstrably proven complete and utter bullshit.
Thoughts? Silence? Libertarians confronted with reality have nothing to say. They are deluded misguided extremists who do not understand the real world.
China has the USA/West over a barrel.
Cope, this is literally the only lever China has which is why you keep harping on it, poorly trained bot. It's not even a particularly good one.
Without rare earths supply the US military industrial combine is broke.
Without US consumption China is broke
The US cannot fight a war with China or anyone without rare earths.
China is wholly reliant on the US navy allowing them to import for their own needs, including other raw materials they need to leverage their manufacturing base.
Even if they could break the island chain, which I'd say is 50/50 odds at this point, they're completely at US mercy in the next domain: space
Trump started a trade war with China
China started it the second they were allowed into the WTO, the very reason the US doesn't have refining up to par is because the CCP subsidized the industry it to crush competition abroad, a good strategy on their part, that's industrial policy- not free markets.
This was identified long ago, the fake pandemic was a practice de-coupling, companies like MP Materials, Albemarle, and new startups broke ground on refining ops years ago... US will be self-sufficient on RE refining within a year.
Trump must Beg for continued access to rare earths supply chains.
China must beg for aircraft engines, chips, food... the list goes on.
Libertarian nonsense
You deride libertarians and trade policy in the same breath, dissonance, dumb bot.
Yes Libertarians are retarded when it comes to international systems created by globalists, but that's a separate issue, sane people installed economic nationalists to defend themselves in this "trade war" (that is really a currency war)
Tell your handlers the time to move on CIAwan was yesterday, their window is slipping away.
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SILENCE?!
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The issue there, as I see it, is that rare earths aren't just an investment thing; it's also a location thing. You don't have rare earths lying around just anywhere. Even if private investors wanna put money in, they have to invest in the places where the stuff actually exists.
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It is the refining capacity that is the really crucial factor. Raw rare earths are not so difficult to obtain but to process them to the point where they are ready for use in multiple application is the difficult and very costly and time consuming part of it- and Chinas mixed economic model deliberately invested in capturing this strategic supply chain while the wests free markets failed to.
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what is meant by "rare earths?"
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The rare-earth elements (REE), also called rare-earth metals, or rare earths, are a set of 17 nearly indistinguishable lustrous silvery-white soft heavy metals. The 15 lanthanides (or lanthanoids),[a] along with scandium and yttrium, are usually included as rare earths. Compounds containing rare-earths have diverse applications in electrical and electronic components, lasers, glass, magnetic materials, and industrial processes. Rare-earths are to be distinguished from critical minerals, which are materials of strategic or economic importance that are defined differently by different countries,[b] and rare-earth minerals, which are minerals that contains one or more rare-earth elements as major metal constituents.
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Correct and they are absolutely essential for the manufacture of many modern high tech products such as EVs, microchips and multiple military applications. You cannot have a high tech economy and you cannot wage a modern war without rare earths to build the multitude of high technology products that require rare earths. China has won the trade war and has the west/USA over a barrel because the Chinese government deliberately prioritised a supply chain that is crucial to the modern economic realities. This required huge capital investment to build the refining capacity that is fundamental to the production of rare earths- without the complex and difficult refining processes the raw materials are worthless and China now has a near monopoly on that refining capacity. Free markets did not prioritise refining of rare earths because it is expensive and not highly profitable when looked at in isolation as private enterprise naturally does- it only makes sense when you recognise the strategic importance and power projection significance of controlling the rare earths supply chain- something a=that the Chinese mixed economic model naturally can do but that the crony capitalist west completely failed to do. Free markets are a nonsense in some significant exceptions to the rule.
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All the Libertarians here do not have a credible response to this post.
I have provided 10000 sats boost to increase their opportunity to respond.
But they just huddle in silence incapable of responding to the inconvenient FACTS.
They claim nobody will debate with them but when I provide the opportunity they huddle in confused SILENCE.
Incapable of responding to the issues raised.
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I'm not sure I understand. Tariffs and trade wars are the opposite of free trade and free markets.
If these are causing problems, wouldn't this mean that free markets are preferable to tariffs and trade wars?
"Libertarian nonsense that free markets always deliver better results than government involvement"
Wouldn't the tariffs and trade war be the 'government involvement' in this case?
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The tariffs are in response to China having captured dominance in nearly all productive supply chains. China has done this by strategically allocating capital toward development of a more competitive economy- for example developing electricity supply at half the price of other nations which means downstream manufacturers have a significant advantage to their over seas competitors. The government led Chinese mercantile economy now beats western neoliberalised financialised economies in terms of competitiveness on nearly all markets. Do you understand now?
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I was down to talk man, why so rude?
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I welcome reasoned debate and you asked a question which demonstrated a disingenuous approach toward the facts and issues raised - however I in good faith answer your strawman question and then you call me rude? For what? Asking if you understand now?
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Yea. Didn't need to add that last bit. That was pretty rude. No need for that. Would've been a nice conversation without it I bet. It's pretty clear that you're not here for "reasoned debate" you just wanna dunk on people.
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I could interpret your response as highly offensive - Asking if you understand now is simply pointing out that your initial comment did not understand the content of what you were responding to. I responded by explaining how you had misunderstood and whether your misunderstanding was conscious or unconscious I wanted confirmation that you now acknowledge the misunderstanding in your initial comment.
So far you have not given such a response but instead feign offense where none is justified.
Your initial comment misinterpreted/misrepresented/strawmanned what I had posted but you refuse to acknowledge that even when I have explained how and asked if you now understand how you were in error.
Trying to divert the reasoned debate via strawman arguments and personal attacks and baseless trumped up allegations of rudeness is only further indicative evidence that Libertarians cannot provide a credible reasoned response. Provide a credible reasoned response and I will respond in kind I can guarantee that. Respond with strawman bullshit and misrepresentation of what I have said and I will also respond in kind. The entire content of this thread evidences my consistency in this.
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I ain't reading all that. Don't be so rude man