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How are you handling shipping without doxing your address or fiat name etc?

396 sats \ 12 comments \ @AG 25 Oct AGORA

zaps forwarded to @Natalia (100%)

@Natalia asked this question today in the saloon #1264920

As mentioned in my response to her, we handle it through a third party business, in this case a clothing shop that also operate with private carriers to handle parcels (no delivery). People and couriers just use the address as if it was a PO box, but is not.

I guess stackers geolocation define different strategies depending on which jurisdiction one lives. I wonder if anyone else has some experience sending and receiving parcels anonymously.

Do you?

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0 sats \ 7 replies \ @DarthCoin 23h

Maybe we need to build an "underground" delivery system? Just sayin....

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @AG OP 22h

There are already many independent networks, they are not underground and unfortunately the majority are still tied to fiat and its requirements.

Compared with comfortable postal services, these networks are P2P, sometime much slower while able to deliver internationally.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @beejay 20h

Vanarchy Express exists (on Telegram, and I think anarchist.market) and there are others like it out there, that I just haven't connected with.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 20h

May The Bitcoin Be With Them I hope they are not using monero...

439 sats \ 0 replies \ @beejay 20h

It's a network of people just posting that the have room available in their car/truck/rickshaw for packages/mail/etc. to take from X Town to Y Town on their travels. I think the telegram activity just dwindled down because the mod of the group has been busy with real life anarchism (building a community of private land owners in the Ozarks).

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Natalia fwd 22h

Maybe we need more people to use Bitcoin so it becomes normal.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 22h

People are retarded and use VISA cards... and loan their BTC as collateral for more fiat. THIS WORLD IS REALLY FUCKED UP.

I got to the conclusion that Bitcoin is not "black money", not "laundering money", not "underground money", but SURVIVAL MONEY. Only the brave and finest will use it as money in real free markets (agora). All the rest will be total forever debt fiat slaves.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Natalia fwd 22h

I also don't have much fiat with me, but I try to use cash for daily life, paying some in sats if I can, eg rent - the biggest spending monthly. 😂

60 sats \ 2 replies \ @Natalia fwd 25 Oct

ugh, can't zap this post - part of me is happily selling my creation offline, like in an art market or something, which I'm happily hanging out with people as well, but the internet is an interesting thing, especially if it's linked with bitcoin.

Or one might say I'm thinking too much. 😂

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @AG OP 25 Oct

part of me is happily selling my creation offline

Just part of you 🤣 Probably the best part of you! Having interactions with customers IRL is always the best, one can always exchange a smile for free.

Sometimes it requires more selling effort /skills and dedication than selling in a digital marketplace. And let be honest, we happily skip all the shipping hustles that is a job itself.

Working with shipping partners help, but it has a cost and most of the cases does not work for small orders or one off deals.

I'd be curious to hear about @plebpoet and her SNZ buyers too...

30 sats \ 0 replies \ @Natalia fwd 25 Oct

Probably the best part of you! Having interactions with customers IRL is always the best

this! telling ppl story or how I made them etc.

Sometimes it requires more selling effort /skills and dedication than selling in a digital marketplace.

There are so many attention-seeking people online at the same time, I like the old-style way of selling: you meet people from time to time and say hello 😂 people come to get what they want or give you feedback etc. ( less a prick in person as well )

I feel like selling online these days is more focused on marketing than the product itself, which adds so much extra work.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @beejay 20h

Technically, the USPS doesn't require a return address, but with electronic mailing solutions like click-n-ship and PirateShip etc., you have to fill in something, so you can get away with filling in some nonsense. Or just use a city and a nickname, which is what I do (BJW @ Ketolishus, Railroad Island, MN, which is my neighborhood, and no house number means I could be any one of several hundred people who sent it). The only person who knows the address is the mail carrier who comes to pick up my packages and I don't care about that, I've lived here 13 years and have had the same guy all this time.

I'm not one of those uber-paranoid people who refuses to order anything online except via a DM or something, I just sometimes worry about my own safety as a over-50s single woman. Even though the owner of the property I rent has cameras everywhere, I have been harassed online before and it was not pretty. I don't like having to take my social media down for months at a time like I had to, after that. For the most part, I have repeat customers and if they know my address, it's because we exchange Christmas cards, which I LOVE to do (it's an older folks thing, you probably wouldn't understand).

I will say it's kind of annoying that people don't want to use my website to order. I have no trackers and I built it myself. Shopstr and Plebeian market have my jerky listings too, and I've gotten only 1 order this year (last year I had a few thru Shopstr, but there was issues with about 1 of every 3 orders--either something wrong with the transmission of data, such as what they ordered, their address being missing, or even what their npub was, so then after all that, I can't even reach them) and nostr DMs are ass (if we don't follow each other), I prefer doing business comms via email. And there's no such thing as 100% private email, even the services claiming to be the most secure are not perfect, don't get me started on that.