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181 sats \ 13 replies \ @Cje95 30 Oct \ on: US Bombs 15th Alleged Drug Boat in Latin America - News From Antiwar.com Politics_And_Law
There have been at least one off the top of my head but I believe more that I am actually not entirely against. The semi submersibles or subs have zero purpose except for trafficking. While we have seen "cool" videos of interceptions taking place a huge issue with these is how dangerous they are to the coast guard and others involved.
Especially since drugs have started washing up in a couple of countries (the Dominican Republic was one) they are hitting actual drug boats/subs.
For instance with the Columbian man who was saved after the narco sub was destroyed. I would love to hear from the Columbian president how a freaking narco sub is used for fishing like the guy has stated.
Sure I would love us to be able to just intercept these boats and subs but there is a huge danger issue on top of the sheer area we would have to cover.
Yeah, but does the means justify the end? The Narco state is just as terrible as the extremist Islamic actors, but we aren’t at war with a nation-state; thus, doing military bombing missions to stop the flow of drugs seems like an extreme response. Even the nazi criminals had their day in court during the Nuremberg trials. None of the modern-day evil even touches what the Nazis did. People should have their day in court! If not, then we gotta throw out the “allegedly” because it creates a slippery slope.
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I mean I will be the first to say the cost alone is wildly expensive. However, it wasn't a matter of if someone from the military was going to get killed in an interception it was a matter of when (since Coast Guard is part of the military). I would even say if we really wanted to hit the critical part of the narco state we would bomb the massive super labs they have in Columbia and in a smaller scale Venezuela.
I dont think the Trump Admin though really wants to bomb said countries and instead is hitting all around them in hopes of them getting it together (well probably not Venezuela they are kind of a lost cause). However, if the issues are not addressed by these countries and they continue to let drugs flow freely I wouldn't be surprised with either strikes or honest to God special forces raids that blow up the production sites.
When you look at the Constitution for guidance of this it isnt exactly clear beyond if the criminals committed crimes outside of the US Congress can decide where they face trial. With Nuremberg these trials set the ground work for the criminal international law and the ICC. Under criminal international law for the most part the crimes are war crimes, genocide, crimes against humanity, and crimes of aggression (invading neighbors, occupation, annexation, etc.) and narco traffickers do not fall under this.
I think if you saw Columbia charge and actually do something with the guy that was saved from the blown up narco sub that would be a huge win for the US and would likely lead to a decrease in strikes blowing up the whole thing. However, Columbia's Presidents reaction I think has only created an environment where the US is going have the idea of they have to go after this alone.
In regards to the use of allegedly....
I think that is just the media term to placate the public. People should definitely look into this more and be much more educated but that isnt the case so terms like that are used to inform the public but without confusing them.
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Solid level headed answer! Were you. Poly sci major in college? Haha
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Lol NOPE! I got my degree in Psychology lol! I got a BS not a BA.... Bachelors of Arts is stupid....
Always have been interested in politics though going back to being a kid... Did not expect to end up in it at all and that sure was not the plan but here we are.
I just try to take a step back and look at the whole!
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Hahahah ahh
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Lol when people hear I got my degree in psych they immediately think it was a BA and not a BS.... I initially wanted to go and get my PhD in Cognitive Neuroscience before I had a job offer from my childhood baseball team and then COVID happened.... now I cannot imagine going back to school lol
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mm... we had this debate in our department. A lot of our students think BS is more prestigious than a BA.... but most of the top econ schools offer BAs, like Harvard and U Chicago!
Sorry, but I actually think people who think BA/BS makes any difference are just unaware hahaha. What matters much more is your major and institution, not what type of degree.
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Wow you a genius?
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