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Haha. I'm fearful of labeling what Justin says as bs, even when it feels counter-intuitive, because he's been right in hindsight too often for that; I'm keeping an open mind. In the spirit of not telling other people what to do, I'd not pursue telling someone else to archive their repo though. If that comes, it comes through success of other efforts.
I'm fearful of labeling what Justin says as bs
To be clear, I didn't say his ideas are BS, but he wraps them in a lot of BS aka trying to sell them in a disingenuous way so it's hard to listen to him or take him serious.
That's IMO an important difference.
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Example?
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CLINK, BOLT12, mobile nodes, "routing nodes don't exist"
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What's the BS wrapper?
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"proven too unreliable" in 2024 when the major lightning implementation did not support and still does not have complete support for BOLT12 yet?
I read this last year, shook my head, and ignored everything else you said, including CLINK as a whole.
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As @justin_shocknet has always warned, I have found that the onion messaging aspect of bolt12 is very unreliable.
And you're factually wrong, LND did support onion messages, so lack of support has not been a factor in its reliability. It's network engineering 101 that you don't add latency and failure probability, which is exactly what bolt12 does.
I think what you ascribe to being BS are facts that undermine your priors.
Just noticed the stealth edit on routing nodes too, that's derivative from Bosworth himself.
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I‘m sure every network protocol was still unreliable when it was being rolled out and got better over time.
@supertestnet‘s quote is one year old.
Just noticed the stealth edit on routing nodes too, that's derivative from Bosworth himself.
lol, "stealth edit", I edit my comments all the time to add more when I still have time. Bad UX though, I agree.
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It wasn't just being rolled out, it had been in implementations for years, was clearly mature enough in their view to be made an official BOLT at that time.
The simple fact is its a stupid design, I pointed that out for years because of it's Tor nature.
So it clearly wasn't BS, it's been consistent messaging that's 100% true, you just didn't like it because you assumed the the dummies that pushed for it were competent and/or not gaslighting assholes.