Someone on nostr pointed this out, and Gigi picked it up with some enthusiasm.
I not a fan...and perhaps that exposes the problem with sats: spelling it out is ugly. There's probably got to be a symbol.
You may have noticed in all the recent pictures of Square terminals that the BIP 177 version of ₿ = sat was used. A lot of recent wallets have also gone down this road.
Are we headed to a world where we say sats but we write ₿?
How about writing $ but saying sats?
The dollar sign looks like a S, and if fiat is going to die anyway, maybe we should start by disgracing it in our language.
But yeah, it probably couldn’t get any more confusing than that.
Credits to @itsTomekK because I’ve heard this idea from him for the first time.
I tried out the Square terminal thing today. Bought a coffee. It displayed a price in dollars first, and then when I told them I wanted to pay in bitcoin, they pressed a button and it displayed sats (using the ₿ symbol). It would have been pretty messy if I told them bitcoin and they switched to a dramatically different number with the same symbol...
When everybody is confused, nobody is confused
writing sats is easier than going to copy paste the symbol which doesnt exist on a keyboard, the display with both is even more confusing/cluttered than just sats alone
Eventually the market will come to a consensus, but the symbol seems forced and more of a vanity project than an emergent UX improvement
The lightning bolt as a symbol is more organic for sats, the only objection is from Lightning disrespectors... in on-chain contexts the B fits better but should I think be only used with decimal values rather than sat values
I do like the lightning bolt as a symbol, but I fear that usage will wither on the branch. It never even caught on that much among lightning wallets.
I used to like it, now it looks silly. It’s an emoji.
Ehhh that's a distinction without a difference, both are unicode characters, but yes a simpler one would probably be best
Ok fair, but ⚡️doesn’t look like a serious symbol for money like £ € $ ¥.
BitcoinsSatoshis deserve a proper symbol. Using ⚡️is like an inside joke.Also fair
There is this more basic one: 🗲
There's yet another even simpler one but i'm struggling to find it, dont know what its properly called
Might have been thinking this, but its font dependent... ϟ
SN font doesn't match what I expected but I've seen it elsewhere look better
great, let's use something that corresponds to the Q or the kaka; Qanon people will be ecstatic when they find out about bitcoin;
sarcasm
https://shapecatcher.com/ yields some other promising options but they all render fucky based on font
↯ ⭍
Looks like my portfolio today
Haha
Always going up ain't sustainable!
try 🗲
NO; lightning bolts can go both ways, up and down; chakra system is a helical vortex going up and down the spine during activation;
that's also the concept behind the Magician tarot card:
P.S. justin_shocknet, u get no opinion in this, u know a big fat zero about this topic, a round goose-egg of symbolic knowledge; it was supposed to be taught in kindergarten, but obviously most state schools rushed thru shapes curriculum;
this is 100% true. emojis are cute little cartoons.
emojis are the future. we must all eventually succumb. Our children will be interspersing every third word with emojis.
I hope I don’t live to see it lol
I like it too. Coinos uses it.
Wallets generally have to unify balance between chain and lightning which is a complication. If you show the balance with a bolt, a user may assume their entire balance is on LN, when there could be a chain balance reflected in that
Amount is a factor too, it should really switch when the decimal value is greater than .009 or so where a chain payment is more viable
I was sympathetic to bits because I think people get hung up on <100 sats left in Lightning wallets because of fee reserves needed, and in chain context the last two digits are superfluous since tx fees will eat them anyway, they could be a smaller font (like cents)
Bits for Lightning and Chain balances bridge the gap a bit with long decimal values, problem is its not really a thing beyond an aesthetic abstraction and died before this was realized
Sats aren't mentioned here but you know immediately by looking at it what the unit is
Biggest drawback to bits in UX may be that if this was was a .11 instead of 11 you might think it was cents had I not put the fiat value underneath it
I can see how bits can be the most logical way to proceed...but they are dead in the water to me. I don't see people ever navigating some chunk of sats other than 1 bitcoin.
How would you think of a skulldugerous use of bits? don't call it bits but just make the last 2 sats when sats >99 being a smaller font than the 100+?
a meme for each step 😂😂😂
Inevitably true, but that's at least a few decades out
We also have to weaponize the hipster mindset, a new symbol harnesses virtue signaling powers
hahaha yes.
Did you know that the Thai keyboard already have the B symbol?
Thai Bhat symbol co-opted today, the dollar in 2050
all make sense now: Satoshi invented these symbols on keyboards long before they created Bitcoin... sneaky bastards
seriously, they selected number 7 for their currency symbol? that is fucked up, trying to dupe people into believing that Bhat and 7 are linked thru the divine; in addition, they have the largest number of lady boys; i am upset;
even the dollar sign doesn't appear next to a 1 or a 7 or a 9;
$ is actually next to a 4 (square/ground/earth), telling people exactly where they belong;
There used to be 2 lines through the dollar symbol when it was backed by sound money. Now, we only use one line to represent fiat money with no backing.
So, your meme should be updated to have 2 lines through the S.
I know, I sound pedantic as fuck right now. I'm channeling my inner DarthCoin :D
Is an old classic meme, I don't want to change it.
Best memes are the ones that are not perfect.
On MacOS, if you open the Character Viewer (same place you get emojis like ⚡️), and copy & paste the ₿ symbol into the search var, you'll see it, labelled "Bitcoin sign". Add it to Favorites, then its as easy to get to as ⚡️.
Other OSes probably have something similar.
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-///-
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is it really that difficult? no need to reinvent the keyboard, so many options!
i really like that satoshi symbol because it is
at the same time looking like the resistor
and a kabbalistic lightning bolt
(literally a flash of lightning thru the chakras of the body)
It is difficult. typing multiple characters is annoying. probably more so than going through emoji selection. I love all the imagery of the lightning bolt and the kabab symbol, but I think they are step too far for normie world. Many bitcoiners might even struggle with them.
how do u go thru the emoji selection?
i always go thru a github page, then copy-paste;
it's -///- or sats, both take some time, depends on the keyboard typing skill and
the message one wishes to convey; sats are fine by me when typed, but when i hand-write, it's -///- upright; i keep the lines wonky/slanted, in a caligraphic fashion;
my education campaign in the occult sciences is coming very slowly; takes time to represent good material that is 1000's of years old;
@deSign_r what do u think?
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The way you represent with a set of ascii characters is innovative and accessible by anyone, even so it does not feel original it still recogizable.
I've been personally a fan of the 丰 hamburger (the symbol, not the junk food) the satsymbol.com #9760 it is a great design job, full of meaning as you said. However not sure it fulfill the purpose, I still use it for graphical artifacts, but when text sats is the way, because g'luck typing ₿ or having it handy for copypasta.
Moreover, I feel that a great way to honor and remember Satoshi.
hate the kebab in the worst way, very esoteric symbolism
justin_shocknet u may be hating it becuz u don't get it, and the barrier to understanding is thru some dense reading material (or a video presentation);
y wud u ignore something that has been knownable for eons of time, and wonder if mind control is somehow beyond symbols?
symbols are etched in the minds of people since birth, thru childhood, and jnto adulthood; frankly the English code is all symbols and shapes;
Language of Creation : it's about the sound effects on the body and physiology;
if u wanna see it as a smoking meat kebob, whatever, u are not interested yet and wish to remain nescient;
@deSign_r have u already watched that seminar and the Language video?
As long as I've been in Lightning, if I still need to watch some occult slop to get it then there's no hope for people at-large to get it. Even if I cared about the deeper meaning its still aesthetically retarded and pretentious.
💯 🤣🤣🤣👌
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Dropping 7 (+2) hours video and expecting others to catch the meaning of the 丰 it is way too optimistic. There's definitely some truth there, but again, you cannot expect everyone to digest this bombs in a easy way. For many, and for you too I guess, it takes years of study, you'll risk being dismissed and misunderstood. Use your words wisely.
There's a difference between Lightning and Lightening lol. sats are the unit of account for the first, what's the one for the latter? But hey, let's keep the lighting on on the matter
information is conveyed thru repetition: people have been dumbed down thru repetition of incorrect signal for eons; educators will have to raise people's consciousness thru repetition of correct signals, and repeat things whether or not the receiver's ears are ready or even want to hear it;
labore et constantia
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all of the above light- words have the same root, same general phonetics, and the euphonics - the vibrations produce similar resonance in the ears and in the mind; u may want to re-read the Trivium, especially the first chapter on sounds and the chapter on rhetoric - that book is meant to be read multiple times and referenced; same for the Quadrivium and the Designa books;
one cannot read the bible of nature's building blocks once and expect to get it all;
how many people have read Darthcoin's guide in the first day? in the last 5 years? u pointed out that the way i type posts looks like note-keeping; the kinds of posts i produce are meant to be referenced again and again and ring true many years later; i re-read my own posts routinely in order to make sure they are still OK - how many stackers do that?
once there is a good system in place on SN for referencing archives, the guides will work better! honestly, most posts in the daily feed today are slop;
I like this kebab style and really hope one day we'll have a symbol on keyboard
I like the crisp ₿ it has grown on me
₿ 000,000,021
do you still verbally say "sats"?
I still say stack sats stay humble, nod to ODELL
I could start saying...
stack ₿'s stay retarded?
Thank you to Daniel for the pic. npub1aeh2zw4elewy5682lxc6xnlqzjnxksq303gwu2npfaxd49vmde6qcq4nwx
that's a lot of unnecesaary zeroes to type and to convince people to count in reverse;
i highly doubt the population is at a point of development to accept that one can count value backwards and not only forwards;
in fact, the brain thinks backwards, but the ideas come our thru words forward; it all goes back to the law of cause & effect - if u can think backwards, u can figure out where u have been and then, where u are or may be;
Language of Creation - this is not some religious crap, it's quantum dynamics;
₿21
Is that more palatable?
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Extreme retardation is my guilty pleasure, I mainly use sats and just like the clean-ness of the ₿
It's personal preference like ₿onouns 🤣🤣🤣
It looks like a solid way for people to learn that 1 BTC equals 100M sats, but visually it's kinda rough, and honestly, it confused me at first glance.
シ for sats symbol.
Put this out 10 years ago: https://satoshibitcoinconverter.vercel.app/pages/why.html
Let the sats cult cry, they will eventually realize they never should have cared so much about a slang word for bitcoin units.
That screenshot is obnoxious to anyone capable of second-order thought.
the screenshot is surely a crime against humanity.
nevertheless, I will cling to my sats terminology until I've got dementia.
The "." is confusing and unnecessary. ₿ 1 is not 1 BTC, it's 1 sat.
If we are sticking with a B symbol for both Bitcoin and sats why don't we make a capital B bitcoin and a lowercase b sats.
I use sats and will die on this hill. As for the sats symbol I'm undecided
Yes
Me gusta la B para Bitcoin y que me parta un rayo 🌩️ si deja de gustarme sat ⚡ así como está en lithing ya que da cierta distinción, digo que grupo subio el voltaje AC⚡DC.
comprendo "AC⚡DC" y "Bitcoin" 😁
me gustan mucho! 👊
idk its 4 letters.
sats in a wallet sit and sat for a while;
the satoshi creator wud not have been proud,
if the sats were to sit and be sad while all idle;
satoshis were meant for the world to go round!
@plebpoet
oh i know you now, you changed your @
yea, @zapsammy, but raised higher to fight the bots and wrong-think, haha
user-names carry phonetic power, often congruent with the user's style of posting;
i try to not drop into New Age thinking, aka the last culdesac before the goldmine;
Sats is clean.
The symbol is… decoration.
It doesn’t grow from the ground
it’s planted, forced. Like someone deciding all apples should be painted red for “brand consistency.” Pretty maybe. But not better.
Bitcoin is 16-17 years old, logarithmic growth make this frame a space in time where plenty of evolution happened. Cultural differences and people coming from different experiences with Bitcoin will call it differently. We also know about same written word meaning different things in different languages. Same happen with sounds.
So the inverse is also true, different words and sounds sometimes refers to the same archetype.
People can call the smallest bitcoin denomination as they wish, the important fact is that we use it.
I love sats!
When the value of bitcoin increase to one million it word worth something but now even high value it is just 1000 satoshis perhaps 1 dollar few cents.
we are headed to a world where we say bitcoin and we write ₿.
'sats' is never going to go mainstream. When bitcoin will be mainstream it will be ₿.
I like it
Here's how it might get you confused somehow.
1 BTC or 1 sats?
One day we'll start using milisats on lightning
This adds even more questions
Honestly, I think we are heading toward a world where we say “sats” but write “₿” — and I’m not sure how I feel about it.
“5000 sats” looks clunky, and that’s probably why Square terminals and a bunch of wallets are already using the BIP-177 idea where ₿ actually represents a sat. It’s cleaner, more “currency-like,” and way easier on a payment screen.
But it also rewrites what ₿ has meant for years.
Still, the momentum is there:
people talk in sats,
wallets display ₿,
and BTC becomes just the ticker for whole coins.
Not saying I love it… but it feels like that’s where UX is pushing the ecosystem.
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