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Do you understand why CCs were introduced?
I explained above why-
-'I came here initially attracted by the opportunity to participate in and experience a V4V social media that is denominated in sats.
It had been talked about before but never built- so great to see it and try it.
It was 100% denominated in sats when I arrived here- but then the creeping threat of regulatory pressure- even prosecution from US government agencies forced the introduction of CCs and the option of users attaching their LN wallets so we could still have P2P V4V sats denominated...and SNs platform could avoid the risk of prosecution on the pretext of money transmission.
Needing to attach LN wallets placed a higher burden on users- it requires them to attach LN wallets because of government Chokepoint style pressure.'
I also explained I do not have a problem with newbies or people who simply don't care about Bitcoin and LN want to use CCs.
They should imo still be free to participate fully in the dialogue and community even if they are not Bitcoiners - Hopefully over time they might come to understand Bitcoins unique and valuable properties - but nobody should ever be forced to use BTC/LN.
The more different viewpoints SNs has contributing makes SNs more interesting and less of an echo chamber.
What I do object to is those who claim to be Bitcoiners and rabbit on about Bitcoin and how wonderful it is, but cant be bothered to make a small actual effort attach a LN and use here and thereby support the use of LN and sats denominated integrity of the platform.
People like @DarthCoin
They are blatant hypocrits.
They may present amusing, interesting and useful content, but all their content is sullied by their blatant hypocrisy. They are saying they want LN and BTC to develop and grow in strength but their inaction is working directly against that stated objective.
Their words are not matched by their actions.
It does not matter what proportion of the LN SNs zapping makes up- it may not be a large proportion, but if those who say they want LN to grow and develop cannot be bothered to attach wallets and support LN development it is absurd and blatant hypocrisy.
You say - 'I still maintain, what matters most on SN are the words you post and the sats you zap/pay. The rest is less important to me.'
I agree content is important but disagree that obvious hypocrits have credibility. They do not. They are saying one thing and doing another thing. All of their content is debased by their hypocrisy.
Also agree zapping sats is important- this is one of the few places we can use, test and support the LN everyday, sometimes many times a day!
But some, while claiming to be BTC Maxis are refusing to use the LN here, and are not zapping sats- they are zapping mostly shitcoin CCs which were only introduced as a compromise under regulatory pressure. They are hypocrits and are debasing the sats denominated nature of the platform.
Stacker News needs participants who come here and consume content contribute sats into the SNs economy. Or it will die. Those consumers of content are the suppliers of the energy required to grow both SNs and LN.
I come here for content, as a content consumer, with my attached LN wallets so I can pay for content and occasionally receive sats zaps from others. It is a pleasure to be able to use LN / sats in such a way knowing that it is growing the LN and doing precisely what The White paper set out to enable.
I have gained information and tips here of real value and consider it a worthwhile and mostly enjoyable expenditure of sats... better than any other social media platform I have known. far less spam and trash.
But it is a competitive marketplace and when I see content providers who claim to be serious bitcoiners 'living on The Bitcoin Standard' but cannot be bothered attaching sending wallets to enable a reciprocal sats denominated V4V P2P economy - they are saying they cannot be bothered to enable sending me or anyone else, sats - but they want my sats and those of consumers of their content...
I say No. All their content is compromised.
They are hypocrits.
I am not buying their content.
I may downzap their content.
The consumer has power.
That is free market forces operating.
You are definitely right about this. I didn't really learn about lightning until I wanted to get on SN and start posting. It certainly motivated me to figure things out and get a wallet set up.
I also agree with this. I just think it is a side-effect of replacing mods and algos with sats. But it is still great and as you say it would be interesting to measure what percent of lightning transactions in a given day are due to SN.
I don't mind CCs as much as some people do. I know that some stackers left because of them. If there were no CCs, how would it change how you feel about attaching wallets? (just as an hypothetical: imagine if users didn't attach a wallet, any zaps they received went 100% to rewards. Of course, such users would still have to pay to post -- in this case would you still feel that users who talk about being Bitcoiners but don't attach wallets are being hypocrites?)
I really don't spend much time thinking about what people claim to feel about Bitcoin. I'm interested in the arguments they make. There are all kinds of weird dorks in bitcoin, many of them are great, some of them are horrendous -- but any of them might have interesting things to add to this permissionless protocol. So, I really wouldn't care much if Satoshi Nakamoto himself showed up and started telling everyone to buy MSTR. Bitcoin works because we all make our own minds up about what is reasonable (this is why we run nodes, no?). I don't really care if someone is a hypocrite, they might still be able to change my mind on something.
I still maintain, what matters most on SN are the words you post and the sats you zap/pay. The rest is less important to me.