The girls’ school in Minab, in southern Iran, was hit on Saturday during the first day of US and Israeli attacks on the country. Iran’s ambassador to the UN in Geneva, Ali Bahreini, said the strike killed 150 students. Iranian authorities have been the only ones to provide a death count from what would be the deadliest strike of the US-Israeli war against the Islamic Republic. Their figures have not been independently confirmed.
150 kids. This is fucking insane. Supporting any regime that thinks this is normal or acceptable is beyond my understanding. Even if the numbers are exaggerated. @Cje95, you're the most vocal supporter here of the Trump administration. How can you reconcile your support with such blatant civilian casualties?
The official line is that only those dirty Iranians target civilians. I’m guessing they’ll go the with the classic “human shields” argument.
Yeah, the cognitive dissonance is striking...
To be frank I haven't looked into this much at all because I have been having to deal with AI and Energy impacts (thats my actual portfolio). From what I've come to understand at least is that the girls school was located on a military base. Beyond that I do not really know specifics and will look into it more this weekend.
Even if the school was on a military base right next to all of the weapons systems and 1 kid was injured I would have serious questions because at the end of the day its a school. Unless there were literally rocket launchers on the roof I think everyone should have issues with this and demand transparency regardless of party or ideology.
From what I know at this minute I don't have a reason or justification for why something like this occurred. I am not a huge fan of what I am about to say and the line of thinking because I think it is a cop out but at the moment as things stand given these extensive military actions occurring there will be civilian deaths. I wish we lived in a world were everything always went correct and according to plan but that's just not a realistic option.
Again I need to look into this more and see what I can gather but this is at least a response to your question and how I am looking at this at the moment. Hopefully I can provide something better later but I just don't have the insight and understanding to provide one.
The premise is wrong here. There is no reason for "extensive military action" because (i) you are not the fucking world police, keep busy with your internal politics (as Trump emptily promised before getting elected), and (ii) if you are unable to carry out extensive military action without killing 150 civilians, maybe you should not have the arrogance to carry it out.
Sorry, not intending to shoot the messenger here, appreciate taking the time to answer.
I'm just so fucking tired of the double standards (Russia is not allowed to invade another country, but the US somehow is?) and how the American industrial military complex rules the world. I grew up in an environment with a decently caring government, so I'm not too much against the state, but I more and more understand why half the world despises the fake democracy and fake values of freedom and human rights the US gov (pretends to) represents. An empire in demise.
Look I don't like being the world police either but when you are terrorizing global trade its going to be an issue. When you have the history going back ~50 years that the Islamic Regime has and the terrorist attacks they have facilitated something eventually is going to happen. We tried economics we tried limited strikes like when we blew half their navy out of the water in less than a day in the 80s under Regan but nothing stopped them.
Iran has waged an asymmetrical war with the US for decades. Starting with the Iranian Revolution they held our people hostage (terrible first impression), in1983 they via their proxy group drove a 2k pound car bomb into the U.S.'s Lebanese Embassy, then they followed it up with the Beirut Barracks bombing 6 months later killing over 200 American service members who were part of a peace keeping force the group behind both attacks stated it was part of furthering the Iranian revolution.
We then actually started to ease up tensions with them in the late 90s early 2000s but they chose to go the path of nuclear enrichment. We already saw with Inida and Pakistan what happens when one country who hates another gets a bomb and what do we think Saudi Arabia or the UAE or Qatar would have done if the rival of them had nuclear weapons? It would have started an arms race in an area not known for its stability even without the US being involved.
During the Iraq war Iran helped pioneer the modern day IED that frequently comes to peoples minds when they think of one. With this alone they are responsible for killing and maiming countless lives not just American and not just Collation forces but regular Iraqis.
Touching on just the last 4 years they have been caught trying to assassinate Iranian-American activist Masih Alinejad, President Trump, John Bolton, and others. Mind you these are all planned attacks just on US soil.
Then lets just finish this up with what we started with. Their proxy forces killing people plus causing trade chaos. We have the K1 Air Base attack in 2019, the Tower 22 drone attack of 2024 (I left out the retaliatory strikes in 2020 after we took out Soleimani since that was expected). Hamas in their attack on Israel mind you kidnaped and killed Americans as well. We didnt participate directly in the resulting Gaza War but we did for better or worse get Israel to dial it back considerably with Trump in office. The Houthi's have disrupted major trade routes and have literally killed sailors on container vessels this was done on behalf of their sponsor Iran who provided them with the weapons that they used. Iran itself has also gotten into the action using their fast boats to seize a few vessels over the last year including M/V Talara, MSC Aries, and the St. Nikolas.
All of this to say again do I want forever wars? No. Do I want American Service Members killed? No. Has this country for decades and decades pushed the envelope and killed our people without us doing anything? Yes.
This isnt a US double standard when the world agrees that murdering 35,000 people last month was just mind-blowingly terrible. Russia goes in a carpet bombs entire cities I mean just look at the "liberated" territory in the Donbass the builds are just piles of rubble. Then look at the US strikes I mean we have been showing them left and right we are hitting individual planes on runways it a vastly different situation. Russia is operating by terrorizing Ukraine or rolling their tanks into the Capitol of Georgia to force civilians to bend the knee to them.
I mean I would go on to argue that if anything these strikes show the exact opporite of what you say that it does show regards for human life because we aren't WWII style bombing like you see everyone else doing. Take Sudan, Myanmar, Russia, Ethiopia, etc. its all blowing up everything in the way and if you aren't blowing it up then just massacring the people you run into.
Has the U.S. fucked up over the years? Absolutely no questions asked. Do we try and do better? Absolutely.
Like I said a single kid killed deserves and requires answers and at the scale that this strike might have killed kids even more so but lets not act like the US is in anyway like these other countries or that because one out of over a thousand bombs hit a location that should not have been targeted.
Iran is nothing but a terror state. The Regime has not reacted to any sort of normal modern day negotiations in a positive way. Sadly there has only been one thing they have reacted and corrected course with and that is force. We saw it in the 80s and we saw it again in 2020. Their own people hate them and want them gone so we are removing the apparatus that has entrenched the terroristic Regime.
I know how he will
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This war is total bullshit and kids are dying because of it.