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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 8 Apr

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @LAXITIVA 8 Apr

I heard of so many bowel movements this person has made in there 60 years of life

172 sats \ 14 replies \ @k00b 8 Apr

Mutes afford for us not experiencing the commons the same way which leaves policing the commons to fewer, more vulnerable people. Lurkers and new stackers are subjected to the trolls that everyone else has muted.

If we want to keep mutes, we'll probably need to (re)introduce communal memory:

trust
something financial?
something else?

124 sats \ 10 replies \ @optimism 8 Apr

In all seriousness though, the only thing I can think of: hide on downzap. So I downzap then its gone from my lit, out of the comment tree, out of my notifications, forever, unless I go through downzaps and upzap it to a positive zap balance (from me) again. That way, I can still have bliss, I don't have to downzap to oblivion to get rid of something, and I don't have to mute everyone that does distasteful things.

Strengthens signal?

70 sats \ 9 replies \ @k00b 8 Apr

I like it, but that makes the problem worse unless it's paired with something else - lurkers and casuals will still be exposed to the trolls, and even more so if we're 1 sat downzapping to mute posts/comments.

154 sats \ 8 replies \ @optimism 8 Apr

I don't know about the 1 sat. Some stackers single sat upzap too, so ultimately it'd be as much driven by generosity both ways?

Brain dump:

I don't mind spending sats on downzapping, but what I do mind is that I have to downzap massively to get something off my feed and the damage that does to discoverability for others. I don't want my opinion or taste to be forced upon other stackers.

I'll be honest: I'm of the nasty opinion that a lot of stackers are total degens and I don't really want to see their crap. It is off-putting and distracting to me, as in personally, as a consumer and rewarder of news and articles that I do appreciate. If I downzap them massively to get them off my feed, that's a rather hostile move. I simply think it would be more humane to downzap once, and (auto-)mute. Same amount as an upzap a good post gives. More if it's egregious, just like the upzap is more when it's really great content.

But not to destroy, not to wage war. That would also beat the purpose of the peace I desire because then I'll be consumed by the war on a topic that I'd like to pretty please not have ruining my day: I prefer to be a happy opti, not a warlord. But what I dislike may very well interest another stacker. I've seen stackers upzap scammers after I gave 'em a big down. Who am I to decide what other people can or cannot see? Who am I to decide they should not get rekt? Maybe they should, then when there's a real crisis there will be actual people defending Bitcoin, and not just talking bs and assmilking. I think that in the end, all I should give is my 2sats. Or 200. Or 2000. Up, or down.

Unfortunately, right now, the only way to be rid of content for my own peace of mind is through mute. But we mute stackers, not content. And that's honestly no bueno either. The greatest retard can sometimes say something smart - living proof yours truly, assuming I ever said something smart, but I do think I have been that lucky. So mute sucks too, I agree, and although I understand the economic reasons, the pre-emptive ad hominem strike against another stacker is at least as bad, I think. Muting territories could work, if people remembered to properly x-post. But that's not truly effective either: every shitcoiner will still post in ~bitcoin, of course.

Bottom line, we can't have plutocracy decide the content I get exposed to; not against my will. That's oppressive oligarchy and imho very, very wrong. I can watch fox or aljaz all day and be brainwashed by rich people if I wanted that. So there's got to be balance, somehow. Yes, there was balance with the trust scheme, but, that didn't favor some stackers either - I never saw a sports post on the front page until trust was removed.

70 sats \ 7 replies \ @k00b 8 Apr

To be clear:

I like the auto-item-mute feature idea
I don't like plutocracies deciding content
Without some kind of collective memory or a constant zap war being waged
- n people will need to pick up the same m pieces of trash
- folks who are logged out or lazy or whatever will see lots of trash and leave

The benefit of SN is the commons. It's a level playing field - you don't need to be an influencer to influence - just someone that shared something valuable to someone(s). That becomes less true as:

a plutocracy decides content, or
it turns into a trash heap that non-trash doesn't want to inhabit/visit

imo the commons needs some memory, or zap militants, to avoid becoming a trash heap. Neither demands a plutocracy - just something clever in terms of incentives, signaling, or mechanism that I'm unaware of.

145 sats \ 6 replies \ @optimism 9 Apr

So I don't think that zap wars are the solution because wars consume. Perhaps trust/memory can be reformulated/reconceptualized as reputation?

92 sats \ 5 replies \ @k00b 9 Apr

reputation is a form of memory, the way I mean it, but that's not important

what's the important difference between trust and reputation to you?

146 sats \ 4 replies \ @optimism 9 Apr

I'd say that most distinctively trust is a belief, so it needs a starting point (iirc that's what we had - trust flows from central points.) Reputation, how I see it, is more factual and measurable. Its not based on a belief but on merit. You build and lose it over time, but its not hierarchical. So your reputation doesn't have to influence mine in our interactions.

I understand that that doesn't solve the Sybil problem on its own though. I think John had written something about that not too long ago, but that was localized signal instead of globalized - and inherently still based on trust because of a LinkedIn style "connection of connection" legitimization. I don't think that that is suitable for a globalized "commons" approach, because the bias starts where the trust starts.

So I'm thinking a matrix more than a tree?

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1 sat \ 2 replies \ @SHA256man 8 Apr

what is the team's proposed trust-building model? 🤔

3 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b 8 Apr

Something similar to the one that we removed: #1324840

If anything, the experiment has proven imo that we can get away with a lot less trust than we had before; ie we only need trust to deal with outliers and might want a little more trust to let the community develop a long term personality.

124 sats \ 0 replies \ @SHA256man 8 Apr

in the large corporate jobs, there is usually an annual training of the staff in the standard communications etiquette, computer privacy & security;

i think an SN welcome message shud emphasize that one shud learn to discern scammers, clankers, trolls, and dumb users in general; then offer a guide to deal with those posts effectively;

i think this wud make for a neat educational tool, one that is overdue for anyone using any social medium today;

overcoming any obstacle starts with accepting sum education;

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @ignaciob 8 Apr

Is there anyone in the moon to send some sats?

115 sats \ 4 replies \ @k00b 7 Apr

I prefer to digitally sigh in french for some weird reason.

124 sats \ 1 reply \ @BlokchainB 8 Apr

French onion soup!

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @k00b 8 Apr

le soup

124 sats \ 1 reply \ @optimism 7 Apr

Pourvu que ce soit un soupir d'amour, et non ton dernier souffle

70 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 7 Apr

I thought this was about the food kind of souffle until I put this into google. I can only sigh in french.

193 sats \ 6 replies \ @Scoresby 7 Apr

Anyone gone to a Square merchant and tried to pay in bitcoin yet?

165 sats \ 5 replies \ @optimism 7 Apr

#1462987

172 sats \ 4 replies \ @BlokchainB 7 Apr

Should I try again this weekend?

138 sats \ 3 replies \ @Scoresby 7 Apr

Supposedly they are getting more of them turned on. I keep looking at all the places I go, but none of them are Square.

also i don't get out much.

142 sats \ 2 replies \ @ACYK 8 Apr

I went to two businesses with square this weekend. At both, when it was time to checkout, the terminal had a black screen with the options to tap/insert a credit card, as well as a QR code to scan to pay with Cash App pay. No bitcoin option. I wonder if the cashier tapped the 'credit card' option on their side of the register before I had the option to choose Bitcoin, or, if there was no Bitcoin option. Would be great to see what the expected flow is but I haven't been able to find anything. This video from square (https://youtu.be/HnOzE5nNegI) doesn't contain the screen I am used to seeing when I pay at businesses with square.

This is the screen I always see:

70 sats \ 1 reply \ @BlokchainB 8 Apr

I just point my wallet app at the QR code and it always fails. The only time it worked for me is when I told the cashier I wanted to pay in bitcoin and she knew what to do. This was a few months ago

139 sats \ 0 replies \ @ACYK 8 Apr

the QR code that shows up by default (I.e. the one in the photo above) appears to just be a way to pay in fiat from Cash App. I did try to scan that one with a lightning wallet just in case, but it failed as expected.

69 sats \ 5 replies \ @ignaciob 7 Apr

So, any news?

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @BlokchainB 8 Apr

Christ has risen!

1 sat \ 3 replies \ @k00b 7 Apr

i'm thinking about getting a fish

124 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined 7 Apr

for companionship or food?

68 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b 7 Apr

companion!

... + 30 calories and a couple gallons of dirty water in an emergency

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 7 Apr

Better to have it and not need it

87 sats \ 3 replies \ @k00b 7 Apr

I don't need your opinion on the war, thanks.

175 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker 7 Apr

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @BlokchainB 8 Apr

Molly is that you?

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 8 Apr -21 sats

https://stacker.news/items/1464032

The most downzapped post of the day week and month so far!

Currently sitting at 54,663 downzaps since Friday the 3rd.

Someone does not want the war to be discussed.

Maybe someone with access to the unlimited issuance of CC shitcoins?

1 sat \ 9 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 7 Apr

Is there a way for an image to be a link to a website?
cc @k00b @sox

1 sat \ 8 replies \ @k00b 7 Apr

what

1 sat \ 7 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 7 Apr

Instead of zooming in when you click the image, it takes you to a website.

22 sats \ 6 replies \ @SimpleStacker 7 Apr

I tried for a while to do it, as I think the standard markdown syntax is [![alt-text](image-url)](link-url) but it seems that gets sanitized to just ![alt-text](image-url)

50 sats \ 4 replies \ @sox 7 Apr

Whoops. I remember fixing this specifically for Darth coin when they tried to do the same.
I'll check this out, thanks!

377 sats \ 3 replies \ @k00b 7 Apr

We do this intentionally!

... because it changes the expected behavior when clicking on an image, it is deceptive. I don't want to click to enlarge an image and have it take me to another website.

... at most we should break it into two nodes: image and link separately.

70 sats \ 1 reply \ @0xbitcoiner 7 Apr

I understand and agree. But if the image were a link, instead of the magnifying glass appearing, the hand icon could appear and behave like a text link, right? just an idea!

22 sats \ 0 replies \ @sox 7 Apr

Can't do this on mobile :(
We need to avoid dark patterns as much as possible.

reply on another page

22 sats \ 0 replies \ @sox 7 Apr

Damn now I remember! https://github.com/stackernews/stacker.news/pull/2690 It makes sense.

Sorry guys I woke up like 2 hours ago and it's almost 7 pm here lol.

... at most we should break it into two nodes: image and link separately.

I'd be okay with this behavior, just to help people that are used to images in links. We can do this through the transform step.

Buuut since it's not an emergency, I'd postpone this to the next Editor update. We have cool plans for media in general, some were teased in the first Editor announcement post.

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 7 Apr

I tried that too! thanks anyway

214 sats \ 0 replies \ @satseer 7 Apr

I've also launched satseer's sister site, https://frogseer.com

It's a Pepe themed version of the same game. I've currently got a Rare Pepe up for guessing. Do you know the card?

84 sats \ 5 replies \ @satseer 7 Apr

I've just queued up a couple new rounds at https://satseer.com

Can you guess what is in the image?

5022 sats \ 3 replies \ @BlokchainB 8 Apr

womp womp

Did my guess count?

54 sats \ 2 replies \ @satseer 8 Apr

hmm ... that definitely looks like you should have won it. I see in my admin panel that you paid your invoice before the round expired. I'll zap you 5000 sats here. Can you tell me anything else about what happened? I see it says "Invalid JSON response" at the bottom.

1 sat \ 1 reply \ @BlokchainB 8 Apr

It took a long time for the app to acknowledge my guess then it just went to that error message at the bottom.

That’s when I knew my sats were eaten while my guess wasn’t considered

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @satseer 9 Apr

Sorry for the bad experience! I fixed one thing that I think should catch something like that happening and try to process it again.

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 7 Apr

bowling pin

1 sat \ 7 replies \ @billytheked 7 Apr

Show me a government that represents the will o its people and I'll show you either a fool or a liar.

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 7 Apr

The Socialist Party, with José Sócrates as the leader since 2004, got the best result in its history up to that point and won an absolute majority for the first time.