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If we're going to have a movement and can't use the internet, What else are we going to use? HAM radio? Meshtastic? The opposition using the internet will win, because they have huge bandwidth and reach.

I think of it like this. If we're having some power struggle in meatspace and all the roads are controlled by the powers that be, should we stop using the roads? Or should we blend in, use the infrastructure to win hearts and minds?

The bad system is a ponzischeme that is starving itself to death. You win just by staying alive long enough.

I think Bitcoin wins, and then it gets captured, and we eventually need a new disruptive technology to cope with the problems of captured Bitcoin. This is Andreas Antonopolous, "disruptarianism" he's talked about.

Yes this is the phenomenon whereby if we designed our own Internet, only us niche users would interact with it, meaning it would never scale, not saying thats what's happening in Bitcoin and Nostr but there are similarities

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