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is it an option to use a custodial LNURL as the fallback, so I don't expose my public node id?

I set up zapbastiat@thatwhichisnotseen.st with a custodial lnurl but it doesn't seem to work.

Hey just wanted to let you know, that I am in the process of releasing another privacy feature with having your ocean mining setup in mind, this brings a persistent database for offer history on the /pay site. So the entries are consistent across devices now and you can generate one or several new BIP 353 Lightning address for each saved offer optionally with automatic DNS entriy management and deletion.

This all happens independent from the public alias pages, so these offers are not leaked there (DNS entry remains optional)

If you want to try the feature here in advance give it a test sideload if you like:

https://github.com/Alex71btc/bolt12-pay-startos/releases/tag/v0.2.108

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Matt Hill did release it already so you could as well just update from the marketplace.
Also available on umbrel. Got merged today.

So now you can just generate a new amountless offer and sign it for ocean payouts. Best privacy practice would be to not generate a BIP 353 address for this particular offer.

But with the new release update it will be saved in the Bolt12 pay history database now persistently and accessible from all devices whereas offer history in /pay was browser based before. Now store is server side.

This way the ocean payout offer won't be visible in the public alias pages.

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one could also make an offer on the pay page with the Ocean description that won't show publicly, ya?

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exactly ! Do not publish a bip 353 lightning address for this offer with cloudflare, just create the offer, will be private.

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ah I see, let me check this, it might be an option to use completly different another base domain for lnurl or a dummy domain and just put in the txt record and domain in cloudflare for offers...let me get back to you about this

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yes i think something of that sort to have the option to use a another LNURL domain or not have the LNURL at all is a good option to give users.

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Privacy mode is ready and already merged in startos, you can try it until it arrives in the marketplace , here is the pre release link: https://github.com/Alex71btc/bolt12-pay-startos/releases/tag/v0.2.106

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zapping from my NWC setup in bolt12, btw! works great!

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So do I;-)

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yes maybe easiest would be maybe an option to switch of lnurl entirely and not have bolt11 fallback, but that would also cripple all nostr features...but it should be possible to choose another dummy lnurl base domain. This config (see screenshot)

worked for my, it just produces bold 12 offers and nothing else. also do not set a primary startos domain in the action or just put in dummy as well.

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for now it makes sense to have the LNURL backup as almost everyone uses it for zaps in practice, but the optionality is important. But, this is such a great tool to transition payments on lightning to bolt12, imo.

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as of now you could just use a dedicated subdomain for lnurl and make your app reachable in startos over that domain, this way, bolt12 adresses and lnurl addresses are kept seperate and you could use offers privatly

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I am considering implementing something as a "privacy mode" that switches off lnurl fallback all together where you can create alias as bolt12 only.
The problem is that the lnurl base url once it is set accepts every value before the@ as a lnurl address so setting a dummy is not optimal as it looks confusing on the alias site but will investigate several options.

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yes in the next release I will add an option to just publish offer and bip 353 address or just offer, without lnurl fallback, good catch!

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you also can create offers in the admin ui ( pay site) without creating lnurl alias, just use these offers anywhere, you could still make the txt entries for bip353 manually, but maybe I will add a button for the offer history to publish offer bip 353 lightning addresses without lnurl fallback as well.

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shipping "privacy mode" toogle update soon, almost done.

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