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2 sats \ 5 replies \ @k00b 13 Jul \ on: boltproof — check if a Lightning payment really happened, right in your browser bitcoin devs

Which wallets do merchants/freelancers receive payments on that don't report paid properly?

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2 sats \ 4 replies \ @_bilthon_ OP 14 Jul

Any custodial wallet can have a glitch and fail to account for. I recall some peers having issues with WoS. But these days it's mostly apps that do atomic swaps like the bull wallet that I've seen failures with. They all get sorted out in the end, but having a third-party website to use as an independent arbiter is always nice. Just handing out an hex string as "proof" for the recipient is often times not enough for non technical users.

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102 sats \ 3 replies \ @k00b 14 Jul

So the target user is someone:

  1. that's using a buggy wallet and
  2. understands what a preimage is
  3. has no way of checking if a preimage matches an invoice

This is a tool to workaround a serious bug in these wallets. It seems like getting WoS and @BullBitcoin_ to fix their wallets might be higher yield.

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2 sats \ 2 replies \ @_bilthon_ OP 14 Jul

This can also happen to exchanges with closed source software we have no ways to inspect or any hope to fix. So to address your points:

1- Bugs in software will always exist, and lightning is a complex beast.
2- Part of the motivation here is to teach folks that they can prove/verify a lightning payment. Maybe I should add a better "about" section explaining that.
3- A regular user who doesn't run a node has no way of checking. Some wallets do give out pre-image, but there's hardly any public resource allowing users to verify.

I can't go around fixing every single wallet my trade peers use, so a better use of my time was to put this together and have them use to verify my claim and also forward the same claim to their wallet/exchange support.

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2 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b 14 Jul
Part of the motivation here is to teach folks that they can prove/verify a lightning payment. Maybe I should add a better "about" section explaining that.

The education is the part that's useful imho. The use case otherwise feels a bit hypothetical.

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2 sats \ 0 replies \ @_bilthon_ OP 14 Jul

Thanks for the feedback, I'll make sure I add it. But as someone that uses P2P trading quite a bit, let me assure you the use case is pretty real. It's not the first time I've ran into this issue with trading partners and it's pretty annoying to have to explain things. I'm scratching my own itch here.

Also I don't intend to cast shade to any wallet out there, like I said lightning is hard, lots of moving parts.

I'm actually surprised I couldn't find something like this out there. Most decent wallets do show a preimage as a payment proof. But then users have nowhere to go to easily and quickly perform a cross check as they'd do with an on-chain transaction.

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