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Honestly everyone acknowledged that both "L2s" keep transactions on their own servers. They recognized the tradeoff. It's the old scaling argument.
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bitcoin technical debates or new scaling solutions
Because Bitcoin is feature complete and there are no scaling solutions
What was the response to your "both are centralized" comment?
I know bitdevs is gonna be tech focused, but lately I just have a hard time getting excited about bitcoin technical debates or new scaling solutions.
The things that get me excited now are people actually using bitcoin to buy and sell stuff, doing seamlesss peer to peer economic transactions with no middle man.