Exactly! You see? You can't escape that layer of abstraction if the solution is to be an actual product for the masses. This is just the principle of work division in action.

Yeah good point indeed! But solutions like Block’s Bitkey is a good product. But we are trusting block to generate good entropy for the keys it generates for their set up

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My argument is that whatever the solution, if it's to be effective, it will unavoidably add a layer of abstraction between the user and bitcoin which many in the community strongly refuse, and actively advise against. My point is that they shouldn't.

For instance, the solution to this problem existed already: coldcard included in their instructions that for full safety a source of entropy external to the device should be used in order for the generated keys to be safe. That's something known from day one. Yet, most people is averse to that kind of complexity and if faced with it most will inevitably drift towards shortcuts. Thus, this was bound to happen.

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didiplaywell

My argument is that whatever the solution, if it's to be effective, it will unavoidably add a layer of abstraction between the user and bitcoin which many in the community strongly refuse, and actively advise against. My point is that they shouldn't. 

For instance, the solution to this problem existed already: coldcard included in their instructions that for full safety a source of entropy external to the device should be used in order for the generated keys to be safe. That's something known from day one. Yet, most people is averse to that kind of complexity and if faced with it most will inevitably drift towards shortcuts. Thus, this was bound to happen.