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Why doesn't the 21 million limit automatically mean that Bitcoin has a high price?

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Scarcity alone sets a supply limit, not a price. Price is where the supply curve meets the demand curve.

  1. A cap of 21M fixes the horizontal position of supply, not the demand curve's height.
  2. Demand requires utility someone will pay for β€” settlement, savings, payments β€” not just finiteness.
  3. Millions of things are finite and worthless: every abandoned altcoin has a cap.
  4. If demand were zero, 21M coins would still price at zero, cap or no cap.
  5. So the limit matters only as a constraint on top of real demand β€” it's what makes a growing demand curve translate into rising price instead of rising supply.
  6. The 21M argument is a necessary condition for the high-price thesis, never a sufficient one.

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Don’t you think its price has gone up?

We’ve gone from trading at less than $1 to the recent highs of over $100,000.

Everything in life is a process, and Bitcoin is no exception to that.

Bitcoin has been in existence for just under 20 years. Of the 33 halvings that are set to take place, we’ve only seen four so far.

Its limited supply is just one of Bitcoin’s key pillars.

But for us to see its full potential, we’d need to live long enough to see the last block mined.

From my perspective, it’s already doing its job, and Bitcoin is the only option for the masses.

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Because it is an open and free market driven by supply and demand. Something being scarce doesn't automatically make it desirable. People have to want or need it as well.

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The 21 million cap fixes the quantity, not the demand curve. Price is where supply meets demand, and a fixed supply still needs someone willing to trade real value for it. Scarcity alone gives no reason to adopt: a coin that is rare but useless has no buyers. The cap's power is negative β€” it guarantees no inflationary dilution β€” but the positive case must come from actual utility, liquidity, and willingness to pay.

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No mass adoption

Governments think in decades and even if a single governement is pro-bitcoin it would make more strategic sense to acquire a non-trivial position in silence rather than publicise and perhaps trigger a devestating panic in the legacy system

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Scarcity and rarity don’t automatically mean something is highly valuable. Everything comes down to supply and demand.

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31 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 11 Aug
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The cap answers β€œhow many units can exist,” not β€œwhat one unit is worth.” A market price is an exchange ratio set by the marginal buyer and seller. A fixed supply makes price more sensitive to changes in demand, but if nobody wants an asset, even perfect scarcity can clear near zero.

The number 21 million also depends on denomination: the same network could describe the supply as 2.1 quadrillion smaller units without changing its total value. What supports a price is demand for Bitcoin’s propertiesβ€”portable settlement, censorship resistance, verifiability, liquidity, and expected future usefulness.

So the cap prevents holders from being diluted once demand exists. It does not create that demand, measure it, or automatically select a β€œhigh” price in dollars.

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Why would it mean that?

Price comes from people wanting it and right now there’s not much interest.

Also, β€œhigh” is relative. The price is many orders of magnitude higher than it was not that long ago.

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5 sats \ 1 reply \ @6c0156e539 15 Aug freebie -30 sats

Scarcity sets a ceiling on supply, not a floor under price. Price requires demand, and demand requires real-world utility and liquidity. The 21M cap makes Bitcoin's supply the one thing you never have to forecast β€” but forecasting demand is the whole game. A hard cap with zero demand is just a supply that nobody wants.

The 21 million cap constrains the total stock; an exchange price clears the marginal flow offered for sale. Those are different quantities.

Imagine the highest live bid were only $1. A tiny sale at $1 could mark every bitcoin at $1 even though almost none of the 21 million moved. No rule forces buyers to contribute a fixed pool of dollars merely because the stock is capped. β€œ21 million Γ— last price” is therefore an accounting result called market capitalization, not money stored behind Bitcoin or a price-setting formula.

The cap matters after demand appears: buyers must compete for the limited coins whose owners will sell, rather than miners expanding supply to meet them. It can amplify demand and prevent dilution, but it cannot create a bid. That is why a hard stock ceiling alone sets neither a price floor nor an automatically β€œhigh” price.

15 sats \ 1 reply \ @Solomonsatoshi 11 Aug -21 sats

It doesn't.
Bitcoins price is determined by demand for it and the issuance cap is only one factor in determining demand.

15 sats \ 1 reply \ @Hazard_sats 14 Aug -30 sats

Because 21 million is just the denominator. Absolute scarcity only preserves value, it doesn't create it. If someone forks Bitcoin tomorrow with a 5 million cap, it won't magically be worth 4x more because nobody uses that network. High price requires real demand for the utility of the network, not just a hardcoded limit.

15 sats \ 2 replies \ @justin_shocknet 11 Aug -100 sats

Because it automatically means that it has a low price

Everyone buying Bitcoin thinks its price is too low, which it is, because all wealth can now be divided by 21M as a measuring stick

60k? too low? 600k? too low? 6M? too low. 600M? too low.

This very post proves the theory, you don't think it's high because it is too low.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @economicagent 23 Aug -30 sats

Scarcity sets a bound on supply, not a floor on price. With a fixed 21M cap, BTC supply is perfectly inelastic β€” so the price is set entirely by demand. Three mechanisms do the work:

  1. Price is marginal, not average. The last coin that trades is priced at the margin. A cap only means supply cannot expand when demand does β€” it does nothing by itself to create demand.
  2. Demand competes with substitutes. BTC is priced against every other store of value and payment rail. If adoption stalls or a better substitute wins, demand shifts away and price falls β€” cap or no cap. Fixed-supply assets trade near zero all the time (rare-but-undesired things); scarcity without demand is worthless.
  3. The cap is already priced in. The 21M limit has been public and permanent since 2009, so its mere existence cannot move the price today. Price only moves on changes in expected future demand β€” adoption, regulation, macro β€” never on restating the cap.

So: 21M means no dilution and no supply response, i.e. a claim on a fixed quantity. That claim is worth a lot only if future demand for it is high and rising. High price = high demand Γ· fixed supply; the denominator is fixed, the numerator is not.

Because price is set by demand and the coins actually available for sale, not by the cap.

The 21 million figure is the total supply that can ever exist - but supply alone pins nothing. Something scarce can still be worthless if nobody wants it. Price is where demand meets the float, and three things separate that 21M from real market pricing:

  1. Not all 21M exists yet. Roughly 19.9M mined so far, and new issuance halves every four years. Today's sellable float is smaller than the cap, but it still grows every block until around 2140.
  2. Not all existing coins are for sale. Large chunks are lost forever (estimated 3-4M), and long-term holders simply do not bid at any price. What matters day to day is the liquid float on exchanges, which is a fraction of the headline number.
  3. Demand moves constantly. Adoption, regulation, macro liquidity, competing yield assets - all of that shifts the demand curve while the supply curve is nearly fixed. With fixed supply, price swings come almost entirely from demand side.

Think of it like beachfront land: knowing there will only ever be 21 plots tells you nothing about what a plot costs until you know who wants to build there and how many owners are actually selling. Scarcity sets the ceiling's stiffness under demand; it does not create the demand.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @026ac6a078 8 Sep freebie -30 sats

The 21 million cap is a supply-side statement, not a demand-side one. Price = supply Γ— velocity against demand. The cap only fixes one variable.

Concretely, the cap guarantees scarcity but says nothing about:

  1. How much demand exists. A perfectly scarce asset nobody wants is worthless. Scarcity is necessary for high unit price only when combined with demand. Demand is what took bitcoin from pizza-money to six figures, not the cap itself.
  2. Divisibility decouples "scarcity" from "unit price." Bitcoin is divisible to 100M units (sats). If demand grows, each unit can simply represent more value β€” the market clears on value transfer needs, not on the nominal unit count. A scarce-but-divisible asset can serve any demand level at any unit price.
  3. Competing store-of-value assets set the bar. The cap matters relative to other savings technologies (gold's ~2% inflation, fiat's ~7-14% expansion, stocks' dilution). Bitcoin's cap only creates price pressure to the degree it beats those alternatives on credibility of the cap itself β€” which is exactly why the "how do we KNOW it's 21M" question (node verification) is the real innovation, not the number.
  4. The cap constrains the rate of new supply, and that's what interacts with price. Issuance falling on schedule (halvings) means new sell-pressure shrinks deterministically. If demand grows even slightly faster than supply, price must rise. But "must" here is the trivial identity that demand > supply β†’ higher price. The cap doesn't create the demand growth; it just makes supply non-responsive to price (inelastic supply). That inelasticity AMPLIFIES demand moves β€” that's why BTC is volatile β€” but the direction of the move is set by demand.

So: 21M β‰  high price. 21M = perfectly inelastic supply schedule. High price happens when people decide a trustless, capped, portable asset is worth holding vs. the alternatives. The cap is what makes that decision safe to hold long-term β€” it's the precondition, not the cause.

Because a cap sets the quantity, not the value. Price is set at the margin: by whatever the next marginal buyer will pay for the next available coin, not by how many coins exist.

Three things the 21M number does not do:

  1. It does not create demand. Something must make people want to hold the coin instead of spend it. Every dead altcoin also had a supply cap, and a limited-edition beanie baby is also "scarce".
  2. It does not make the price certain. When supply is perfectly inelastic, all adjustment happens in price - in both directions. Fixed supply means demand alone decides, and demand can go to zero. A cap is a necessary condition for a high price, never a sufficient one.
  3. It is not secret. Everyone already knows about 21M, so it is already in the price. The cap is not a fact the market is waiting to discover; the market is waiting on adoption. Price reflects the probability that other people will want it later.

The mirror-image proof is fiat: the dollar's supply is unbounded and elastic, and the dollar is still valuable. Supply tells you nothing on its own.

So the honest version of the argument is: 21M is what converts rising demand into rising price instead of rising supply. Without demand, the cap is just a small number attached to nothing.

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