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You won't believe this but actually (akschually!), quite a lot of recycling is stupid.

I recently finished an ice cream in Copenhagen and found myself stumped at the trash bins, wrapper in hand. Denmark sorts its garbage into 10 official categories, so that throwing something away becomes a small bureaucratic exam. The bins embody an idea that has gone too far: that more recycling is always better.

Recycling, Bjorn recounts, stems from the retarded 1970s mania of running out of resources... and all it achieved was entirely the wrong thing: "the biggest item households recycle is paper, and we aren’t running out of trees."

The case for recycling then shifted to protecting the environment. That argument has some merit. Recycling plastic can save oil. But heavy glass has to be collected, trucked, cleaned and remelted. Almost anything can be recycled if you throw enough money and energy at it. But are the benefits worth the cost?

Also, we don't need moral suasion or government programs to make it happen. Good old-fashioned profit motive will do it for us:

Valuable materials were long recycled without government programs to make it happen. A century ago, scrap supplied about 30% of America’s copper, close to the 32% recycled globally today. Iron, steel and construction debris are recycled because businesses find it profitable.

"governments have increasingly pushed citizens to recycle paper, glass and plastics worth less than the cost of collecting and processing them"

Ah, asshats:

Governments in Europe and North America now chase suspiciously round numbers. The European Union sets mandates for 90%, 85%, 80%, 75%, 70%, 65%, 60%, 55% and 50%, covering everything from beverage containers and packaging materials to municipal rubbish

oh lol, it's our plastic dumps in the oceans!

For decades, rich countries collected low-value plastic and shipped more than a quarter of it to China and other poorer countries that promised to recycle it. Much of it was never recycled. One U.S. study found that about one-fourth of exported plastic scrap was unusable, and half of that was badly managed.

"perhaps 5% to 10% of land-based plastic entering the ocean came from plastic that wealthy countries had virtuously collected for recycling."

oops. Fuck the boomers. (or maybe the millenials, I don't know)

You don't even have to separate organics or paper, which we Nordics do to our delight (but for a household makes some sort of sense, since it doesn't stink down the rest of the trash!)

Actually: the update here is: burn the rest, run a bitcoin miner with the fumes (blah-blah-blah, call Daniel Batten); proooofit.

ALSO: the opportunity cost of actually doing the sorting:

Official accounts ignore a cost every household pays: the time spent sorting. Peer-reviewed studies from Sweden and Finland find it takes 26 to 29 minutes a week per person.

"Recycle what is worth recycling. Then throw away the idea that more recycling is always better."


Archived via Bjorn's twitter: https://t.co/pm0VFnUEmK

Maybe this is just my ~econ destiny showing, but all of these "revelations" about recycling were completely obvious to me before I ever took an econ course.

There are already people who get paid to sort trash as it comes in, to make sure certain things don't wind up in the landfill, so why don't they sort out the recyclables while they're at it?

If we had always been paid for our recyclable scrap metal, why aren't people buying our used paper and plastic?

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Well, sometimes "this is obviously stupid" could be bigoted and uninformed, too.

Your inclinations here just happened to be correct

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I'm happy with my track record on thinking things are stupid.

The reason I'm usually right is because I ask these dumb simple questions that would be easy to answer if the thing weren't stupid.

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reality is asymmetric in that sense, eh!

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147 sats \ 0 replies \ @398ja 13 Oct

Many decades ago, back in the days when there was still investigative journalism, and long before social media, the German program Spiegel TV shocked their audience with a reportage showing how all their efforts put into "Mülltrennung" (sorting the trash) in their houses and communities was pointless, because it was never processed as advertised. If I remember correctly, they were able to show with hidden camera, how it was all mixed together again and incinerated...

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Recycling is like a religion. If somebody comes to your house, and asks where to throw the plastic bottle away, you feel like a heretic when you say you don't have a recycling bin.

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Official accounts ignore a cost every household pays: the time spent sorting. Peer-reviewed studies from Sweden and Finland find it takes 26 to 29 minutes a week per person.

Really? I don't even bother, except just the obvious stuff. It's impossible to get right, and I'm 99% sure most of the stuff doesn't actually get recycled and/or gets sorted later on down the chain anyway.

Honestly, if you're serious about recycling you should be thinking less about where bottles and cans go, and more about big ticket items like cars, appliances, devices... and especially about their durability, repairability, reusability

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...you should be thinking less about where bottles and cans go, and more about big ticket items like cars, appliances, devices... and especially about their durability, repairability, reusability

probs true for most things: get the big stuff right, ignore the microscopic errors

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102 sats \ 1 reply \ @OT 13 Oct

This reminds me that we have a large bag of cans and bottles. We take them to a government run recycling place and they give us back 10c for each one. Usually get around $20.

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I KNOW RIGHT! It feels awesome... (even though I rationally know that I PAID THE DEPOSIT on acquiring them. Feels like free money)

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