Thanks for informing! I have set up both LNBits and BTCPay apps in my umbrel node. IMHO btcpay purpose is to allow commercial sales. I have one store using my btcpay instance actually. Is this not allowed? I fail to see the logic in allowing BTCPay app in umbrel, and forbidding commercial use at the same time.
Thanks Aaron for your comments. I actually asked them now to clarify in their website. I am not from the US, but I still would like an answer from them. Also there are the LNBits shop extensions (nostr and web) that I would like to offer in the future. This TOS are not clear about it either. Good to know about Runcitadel update. I tried it last year (feb 2022) and it worked great (was like the 2021 Umbrel UI which is great). I am a bit more used to the current Umbrel UI, but if I cannot stay in Umbrel I would def go to Runcitadel since I have used it before. Https not an issue for me since I use a tiny vps proxy for traffic with tailscale. When will you launch it?
I read there is point 20 20. Open Source Components This Agreement acknowledges the use of open-source components in umbrelOS, which are governed by their respective licenses. Users must comply with the terms of these licenses when using the software. I do not know if I can freely use FOSS like BTCPay within non FOSS like Umbrel.
I searched for "shop", "finance", "sale" but I found nothing.
edit: Ah, I think you mean Restrictions on Use:
You may not use umbrelOS for any illegal activities or in any manner that violates the terms of the PolyForm Noncommercial 1.0 License. You are also prohibited from using the software for any commercial purposes.
Umbrel is the operating software. Using the operating software commercially (creating your own competing market app for instance) is what they mean here. Btcpay is its own software with its own terms of use. When you use btcpay you abide by theirs.
I agree that their intent seems to be to say that you can't commercialise the Umbrel OS software, but it is also confusing and they should clarify that is the intent. Sure hope the intent is not to say you can't use it for commercial purposes to run BTCPay Server for a business. That's the whole purpose of BTCPay Server.
There are plenty other fish in the sea... Start9 comes to mind or just run btcpay by itself (own, hardware, docker, cloud, etc.) or Aaron's citadel when is ready. I like what umbrel does, which is spreading good software to masses, don't like how they do it, but hey, its just my opinion man.. :-)
FYI I got a reply from them. They updated the ToS and removed that part on item 7.
https://umbrel.com/legal/umbrelos/tos
Thanks for informing!
I have set up both LNBits and BTCPay apps in my umbrel node.
IMHO btcpay purpose is to allow commercial sales.
I have one store using my btcpay instance actually. Is this not allowed?
I fail to see the logic in allowing BTCPay app in umbrel, and forbidding commercial use at the same time.
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Thanks Aaron for your comments. I actually asked them now to clarify in their website. I am not from the US, but I still would like an answer from them. Also there are the LNBits shop extensions (nostr and web) that I would like to offer in the future. This TOS are not clear about it either.
Good to know about Runcitadel update. I tried it last year (feb 2022) and it worked great (was like the 2021 Umbrel UI which is great). I am a bit more used to the current Umbrel UI, but if I cannot stay in Umbrel I would def go to Runcitadel since I have used it before.
Https not an issue for me since I use a tiny vps proxy for traffic with tailscale.
When will you launch it?
I read there is point 20
20. Open Source Components
This Agreement acknowledges the use of open-source components in umbrelOS, which are governed by their respective licenses. Users must comply with the terms of these licenses when using the software.
I do not know if I can freely use FOSS like BTCPay within non FOSS like Umbrel.
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Which point are you specifically referring to?
I searched for "shop", "finance", "sale" but I found nothing.
edit: Ah, I think you mean Restrictions on Use:
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Umbrel is the operating software. Using the operating software commercially (creating your own competing market app for instance) is what they mean here. Btcpay is its own software with its own terms of use. When you use btcpay you abide by theirs.
I agree that their intent seems to be to say that you can't commercialise the Umbrel OS software, but it is also confusing and they should clarify that is the intent. Sure hope the intent is not to say you can't use it for commercial purposes to run BTCPay Server for a business. That's the whole purpose of BTCPay Server.
The ToS was updated to clarify! Itβs perfectly fine to run your own BTCPay store!
Nice, I see, they replaced
with
Thank you. That makes more sense.
There are plenty other fish in the sea... Start9 comes to mind or just run btcpay by itself (own, hardware, docker, cloud, etc.) or Aaron's citadel when is ready. I like what umbrel does, which is spreading good software to masses, don't like how they do it, but hey, its just my opinion man.. :-)
Yeah, this is stupid, especially since they have BTCPay Server as an option.
I was just about buy their hardware. Maybe just go a cheap route and throw citadel on it but Citadel seems very buggy right now.