106 sats \ 14 replies \ @satoshisat OP 23 Jun 2023 \ parent \ on: Coinkite and their toxic attitude towards users who highlight issues bitcoin
He has since blocked me on Twitter (another example of how he deals with feedback). That said, even if he hadn't, I still wouldn't post it because it would be enough to link this account to that one. Regardless, his posts are public so you can go look for yourself how he's treated others such as WalletScrutiny. Go look for his recent tweet where he floated the idea of suing WS (if he hasn't deleted it yet).
Why are you communicating with him on twitter?
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Regardless, if their build is unreproducible using their instructions (regardless if its from poor documentation), its not worthy to be used for generating bitcoin wallets.
There is another thread on this tooic, and @nvk is also here on SN
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Because Nostr is a hot mess and I am interested in other topics in addition to bitcoin so I use Twitter.
I agree with your statement on worthiness wholeheartedly which is why I was trying to get that issue resolved with them. I wanted them to fix it so that I could continue using and enjoying CC. I want them to succeed.
If he could block me on SN he probably would. LOL He's probably flagging me ;) Notice his response in that thread you linked. It's a good example of what I'm talking about. He just dismisses any user that reports an issue.
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It appears this is a misunderstanding. You can use your twitter app and read this thread explaining why your build didn't match. Both honest and dishonest people don't want to be called a liar, so @nvk 's response is excusable, even if it raises suspicions.
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Yes, I saw that thread. That's not what this post is about. As the title suggests, it's about "their toxic attitude towards users who highlight issues". In this specific case, it ended up being something benign. But if this is how NVK acts with something as benign as this, it's only reasonable to assume that he may react the same or worse on other not-so-benign issues being reported. Hell, how do we know there haven't been other issues reported that were just dismissed by NVK or suppressed by threat of lawsuit?
The point is not that this issue was a real security issue. The point is that his attitude is a risk for the security of his software now and in the future. A good example is how they've now changed the license of their software. Before it was a true open source license that anyone could use and thus had an incentive to scrub and find bugs in. Now, because of their attitude and beef with Foundation, they've changed the license to one that doesn't encourage others to dig deep into their code which, in my opinion, is a security risk.
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(floated the idea of suing WS)
can you give a nitter link to that one, haven't seen it.
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Didn't think about using Nitter. Here it is: https://nitter.net/nvk/status/1671238674057502721#m
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thanks got it. wow. can't believe this guy.
is he contemplating on suing everyone in ws?
I have $35 in my bank account....
The house im living in, isn't even under my name.
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LOL!
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NVK is the CSW of wallet devs.
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Were there other prominent figures in the bitcoin space talking about this issue or his attitude?
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WalletScrutiny is the most prominent I can think of. The rest have been other users like myself that have all had the same issues and posted about it and gotten the same toxic response. Here's a recent SN post that's similar: #197704
Not sure if the person that made that post is "prominent". I saw a few back and forths between NVK and other "popular" bitcoiners on Twitter that ended with NVK blocking them. I'm sure if you do a search on Twitter you can find it.
Honestly, in my opinion, most popular bitcoiners are shills and don't verify anything. They just repeat what others say and blindly recommend things just because it works and not because they've done the work to verify the company/person behind the product is trustworthy or what the company claims is true.
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Thanks. I don't have Twitter and I don't have time to look it up, this is why I was asking. I'm not questioning what you claim
Guy Swann is a popular bitcoiner sponsored by Coinkite, would he qualify as a shill?
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No idea who he is so can't say.
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That's all I needed to know, thanks!
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