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21 sats \ 38 comments \ @ElectronicsQuestions 2 Jul 2023 bitcoin

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20 sats \ 4 replies \ @grayruby 2 Jul 2023

I don't think this describes the ethos of bitcoiners at all. Maybe get a broader selection of evidence beyond a couple people who want to act tough or like jackasses.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @ElectronicsQuestions OP 2 Jul 2023

I'm not saying they're many, I'm saying they are more than in the population in general.

11 sats \ 2 replies \ @grayruby 2 Jul 2023

Not sure about that.

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @ElectronicsQuestions OP 2 Jul 2023

OK, there's of course distribution depending on what we've been happening to read/listen to. Good that it doesn't seem like it from your perspective!

Thanks for the input.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @0245bdaef2 2 Jul 2023

Been around this space a long time and never encountered what you speak of. Perhaps you’ve gone down the wrong rabbit hole.

1 sat \ 1 reply \ @TomK 2 Jul 2023

There are lunatics anywhere in the world. No corralation to a freedom asset like btc. You might need to get a wider perspective of the social community of bitcoiners and its behavioural characteristics.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ElectronicsQuestions OP 2 Jul 2023

@final had an insightful thing to say here in the comment field:

You'll often find that evil people will choose to place themselves into not-mainstream topics to influence their growth, knowing that people into those topics will be forced to integrate with them because of how small the interest base is. This muds the water and makes others think that it has a higher proportion of bad people.

Otherwise, I listen to maybe 10-15 different BTC podcasts, and read Stacker News and links, and am on Nostr.

And no, it's nowhere near a majority that seems abusive, but it seems higher than people in general.

42 sats \ 1 reply \ @final 2 Jul 2023

I've personally never come across this anywhere. It's also something I dont think Bitcoiners would approve of if people saw this more. The only thing I can say about Bitcoiners is that I think more of them can have more radical (but not harmful) opinions compared to the average person.

You'll often find that evil people will choose to place themselves into not-mainstream topics to influence their growth, knowing that people into those topics will be forced to integrate with them because of how small the interest base is. This muds the water and makes others think that it has a higher proportion of bad people.

This is far from a bitcoin thing, but some people will choose Bitcoin as their platform of choice because it's easy to grift and fool the uneducated. Once bitcoiners find their problems, oftentimes they immediately move to something else to grift onto.

Personally I think a lot of podcast shows that aren't technical or hosted by professionals often are just incessant, hateful garbage. You can look at podcasts from other communities that always have similar problems.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ElectronicsQuestions OP 2 Jul 2023

You'll often find that evil people will choose to place themselves into not-mainstream topics to influence their growth, knowing that people into those topics will be forced to integrate with them because of how small the interest base is. This muds the water and makes others think that it has a higher proportion of bad people.

That's insightful! Thanks!

1 sat \ 3 replies \ @orthwyrm 2 Jul 2023

Which podcasts? Episodes and timestamps would also be appreciated.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @ElectronicsQuestions OP 2 Jul 2023

I don't remember where in What Bitcoin Did, but Coin Stories was this one: https://www.podbean.com/site/EpisodeDownload/DIR192A77ADK4AMW

at about 38 minutes.

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @orthwyrm 2 Jul 2023

Thanks man.

I can't say I've seen too much of this in the Bitcoin community myself. If anything there's a libertarian streak which plants itself firmly against violence / coercion, including the military industrial complex that the guest in question was a part of.

I don't think it's a common theme, but of course with a net as large as Bitcoin you're always gonna bag yourself a few crazies.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ElectronicsQuestions OP 2 Jul 2023

The ones in the examples? What Bitcoin Did and Coin Stories.

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @jgbtc 2 Jul 2023

Your examples are extremely flimsy. The salary one sounds like some harmless fun, hardly child abuse. The coin stories one was an old guy talking about a draft dodger during Vietnam, so military aged "child" in this case. The real question is why are you doing this? What's your motivation for falsely painting Bitcoiners as child abusers?

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @ElectronicsQuestions OP 2 Jul 2023

1: you have a weird definition of "harmless fun" if it involves the loss of a months salary. Particularly someone's first. No, maybe not abuse, but deception/fraud. 2: Sure, maybe not child abuse, but definitely abuse. 3: As I mentioned in another comment, these are not all examples, just the recent ones I remembered where I heard. And 4: Because I want the community to reflect on how a small part of it treats their children, to be better in the future. If my motivation had been to paint the community in a bad light, I wouldn't have published it on a Bitcoin site. 5: I have deleted the post, since just one commenter took it seriously and the rest are either not seeing anything or are attacking me for pointing it out.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @jgbtc 2 Jul 2023

Your post made it sound like this is a widespread problem with bitcoiners. Literally no one in the community is glorifying or advocating for child abuse. Good call on deleting.

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @ElectronicsQuestions OP 2 Jul 2023

That was not the intention with it, as I said elsewhere, it is not common, but seems more common than with people in general. "Literally no one" is pure bullshit, and you know that very well. It would not surprise me if it's some kind of projection from your side. You saying that it was a good call on deleting makes me think it wasn't...

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @jgbtc 2 Jul 2023

Funny how you make the same assumption about me as you made about all bitcoiners. And based on the amount of evidence (zero). How did you end up becoming such a judgmental prick?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK 2 Jul 2023

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @BITC0IN 2 Jul 2023

where's the downvote button?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @nymatix 2 Jul 2023

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0 sats \ 10 replies \ @designsats 2 Jul 2023

So....one anecdote?

0 sats \ 9 replies \ @ElectronicsQuestions OP 2 Jul 2023

I counted three that I mentioned in the text, plus a few others that I don't remember where I read/heard, and hence didn't include. I've only been listening/reading for a few months though.

0 sats \ 8 replies \ @designsats 2 Jul 2023

I counted one and one "maybe". Tricking kid from salary isnt abuse per se

1 sat \ 7 replies \ @ElectronicsQuestions OP 2 Jul 2023

Not abuse per se perhaps, but a form of deception/fraud. I doubt a libertarian, or pretty much anyone for that matter, would agree with it happening between two random people, so why would it be okay with his son? The other one is a twofer, the guest and the host agreeing.

2 sats \ 6 replies \ @designsats 2 Jul 2023

Call out the individuals with sources

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @ElectronicsQuestions OP 2 Jul 2023

Copy of reply to @orthwyrm: I don't remember where in What Bitcoin Did, but Coin Stories was this one: https://www.podbean.com/site/EpisodeDownload/DIR192A77ADK4AMW

at about 38 minutes.

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @designsats 2 Jul 2023

Seem like he is condoning the patriotism primarily, not abuse...

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @ElectronicsQuestions OP 2 Jul 2023

Not like he could do one without the other the way he said it though. Personally I'm not a fan of either, but the abuse is of course the worse.

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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @nerd2ninja 2 Jul 2023

Sounds like you should listen to a different podcast lol.

The child abusing podcaster seems to be selecting people that justify their moral world views.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ElectronicsQuestions OP 2 Jul 2023

It was different podcasts.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @siggy47 2 Jul 2023

I don't accept the premise of this post.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @ElectronicsQuestions OP 2 Jul 2023

The premise?

20 sats \ 1 reply \ @siggy47 2 Jul 2023

Your premise is that there "seem like there is an unproportionally large amount of child abusers among Bitcoiners." I don't agree.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @ElectronicsQuestions OP 2 Jul 2023

OK, thanks. See response so @grayruby, maybe I've just had bad luck with the podcasts I've found so far.