1 sat \ 17 replies \ @asdasd123sadasd2 3 Aug 2023 \ on: Someone Used Rewards Bug on Stacker.News to Withdraw 20M Sats bitcoin
he should keep them, if you adhere to bitcoin philosophy you need to keep in mind that transactions are irreversible and mistakes are costly - devs: move slower and test your code
Disagree. He should return it. Bitcoin is a tool, it does not supersede natural law of DO NOT STEAL. Simplest example: if you find a wallet on the ground you should return it to its rightful owner. This should be true regardless of bitcoin or fiat.
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next step: we need a central authority to control funds and reverse transactions
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True bitcoiners are against central authorities. You are straw manning this dude. There are MANY ways to handle theft in a free society. Central authority is not one of them.
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well you will need to id people to be able to handle it then
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Returning funds obtained by accident is about integrity not irreversibly. Your logic is flawed. This is like comparing taxes to charity. If this individual's integrity is worth so little I am sad for them. They are the true loser. I would not trust this person with anything. They will do the wrong thing at the first chance they get.
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well this forum is anonymous so you wouldn't know, unless you start requiring id's to join
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Or we could say instead that for some things, you really do need the system to operate with only the assurances it technically provides; and for other things, you shouldn't be a raging asshole in the community you're theoretically a part of.
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we are trying to adopt a trustless system, so if you made a mistake and the part that received the funds is adversarial you should take the loss - you can appeal to “community”, guilt or whatever you like, but there is nothing you can do to enforce a refund
“move fast and break things” works for fiat, not for bitcoin
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The system and technical affordances of btc are distinct from the norms and values of the SN community, or the moral principles that individuals should aspire to.
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so you are advocating trust
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Btc is a system of money. A community is a bunch of relationships. Just because the mechanics of how btc works doesn't allow the money to be clawed back doesn't mean that, as a member of the community, you shouldn't behave like a decent human being. It is two separate issues and value systems.
Btc is not an excuse to be a dick just because sometimes there are fewer consequences for doing so. Is this really such a foreign idea?
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Exactly, well said.
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it’s not foreign, it’s delusional - the dude that took the sats with him disagrees with your “community” assumptions
this is a news site, with open comments, and random actors
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I guess it is what we make it. I hope more people think like me than you.
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as much as you are right, this kind of philosophy will not get Bitcoin adopted into normal population. They need customer support and the security blanket that someone else is there to help them if they make a mistake :).
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But they're not gonna get that, unless they trust a custodian, who will inevitably rug them one day.
They will face the beautiful truth: that you only have two choices:
- Individual freedom and responsibility (two sides of the same (Bit)coin)
- No responsibility, being a slave and staying poor.
Choice 1 is a new development, courtesy of Satoshi. Virtuous, principled people waited for thousands of years for it to become an option, and now their long wait can be rewarded.
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Well, people trust banks now, right? Why do you think that behavior is going to change?
And if we assume that all custodians are out there to rug them, then it will never succeed. Of course, humanity is fucked anyway, so at the end of the day, it does not really matter ;).
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