I'm looking to de-google myself and while a lot of people tout graphene I'm concerned that it's primarily built for a phone made by the same company that I want to get away from. God knows what back doors are in their chips. So what are our alternatives?
115 sats \ 3 replies \ @InsanelyFree 17 Aug 2023
Lineage is a decent option, but ultimately there is no such thing as online privacy. Aim for anonymity instead.
Compartmentalize and separate your personal stuff from any KYC apps. Use disposable second hand smartphones and don't spend too much time thinking about tinkering with the OS -- diminishing returns and many unknowns.
In summary, don't stand out and keep things separate.
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13 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 17 Aug 2023
THIS
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 17 Aug 2023
Yep, very good take.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @AllCatsAreEvil OP 17 Aug 2023
Interesting take. Obfuscation rather than camouflage...
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30 sats \ 5 replies \ @badabing 16 Aug 2023
CalyxOS is an alternative. Don't know if it's any good though.
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20 sats \ 0 replies \ @Scoresby 16 Aug 2023
Ive used Calyx for a couple years on my daily driver phone, and I don't have any complaints. I'm not much of a power user though.
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @bataroot 17 Aug 2023
I've been using CalyxOS on several different pixel phones for a while, I even install it as a side gig :)
Works well and is a good way to migrate newbies from iPhone or stock Android.
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10 sats \ 2 replies \ @AllCatsAreEvil OP 16 Aug 2023
I remember hearing that name now, back on the dead bird app. Cheers, I'll add that to the list and go exploring.
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30 sats \ 1 reply \ @Hypnagog 16 Aug 2023
Use calyx, its great, requires pixel phones
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @AllCatsAreEvil OP 17 Aug 2023
Ahh, is that an absolute requirement? Like with Graphene I want to get away from Google altogether and I don't trust them with the chips
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30 sats \ 12 replies \ @siggy47 16 Aug 2023
I think @DartCoin uses another OS that is compatible with more phones. You should ask him. There's also the Pine option. There was a post on here recently.
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97 sats \ 7 replies \ @DarthCoin 16 Aug 2023
https://darthcoin.substack.com/p/bitcoiners-mobile-device
LineageOS is a good alternative for non-pixel devices.
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10 sats \ 6 replies \ @AllCatsAreEvil OP 16 Aug 2023
Nice, thanks for the info. I've got a few to be looking over now. With this many OS available is there software compatibility issues or fewer options and tools available?
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20 sats \ 2 replies \ @DarthCoin 17 Aug 2023
Not really. Practically is the same Android (linux) system with more or less features.
Absolutely all apps works the same.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @AllCatsAreEvil OP 17 Aug 2023
Thanks, that was something I had no clue about and may have otherwise swayed my choices
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @nemo 17 Aug 2023
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @AllCatsAreEvil OP 16 Aug 2023
"...is there software compatibility..."
Shoot me now, I've forgotten how to English.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @premitive1 16 Aug 2023
I don't get it
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @timechain 17 Aug 2023
I think it's supposed to be "...are there software compatibility..."
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @AllCatsAreEvil OP 16 Aug 2023
The link didn't work but so looked at your profile and saw the correct spelling, I'll have to take a look
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46 sats \ 2 replies \ @siggy47 16 Aug 2023
I misspelled DarthCoin! I will get some abuse for that.
I have an excuse. I'm on my second pint at Pub Key and it's dark in here. Yes, I will pay my tab with bitcoin.
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129 sats \ 0 replies \ @AllCatsAreEvil OP 16 Aug 2023
As excuses go, that's got to be one of the most acceptable. 🍻
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30 sats \ 0 replies \ @BBitcoinUSA 16 Aug 2023
Lol, you’re forgiven
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110 sats \ 1 reply \ @final 18 Aug 2023
DivestOS is suggested among people close to the GrapheneOS project. It is essentially LineageOS with some GrapheneOS patches and a focus on using minimal proprietary components.
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5 sats \ 0 replies \ @AllCatsAreEvil OP 18 Aug 2023
This rabbit hole is even deeper than I expected, there's a plethora of good options to look at, thanks
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30 sats \ 0 replies \ @momboteq 21 Aug 2023
A lot depends on what kind of phone you have. Many privacy-oriented ROMs are specifically designed for Google Pixels. If you don't have a Google Pixel (which I deduce from your search for alternatives to GrapheneOS), I recommend installing any ROM that doesn't come with pre-installed Google Services. Among popular ROMs, I suggest LineageOS or VoltageOS (which I personally use due to its interesting features not present in LineageOS). If you're looking for something built with privacy and security in mind, I recommend DivestOS (a fork of LineageOS).
Regarding installing apps on an Android without Google Services and the Play Store, there are two popular alternatives:
F-Droid - This is a store where you can find open-source applications.
Aurora Store - It's an open-source client for the Play Store that doesn't require Google Services for operation and doesn't require logging in.
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30 sats \ 1 reply \ @Salekromcy 17 Aug 2023
Before buying a Google Pixel 6a I was considering getting a Fairphone to use it with LineageOS. That might be a viable way to go for you?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @AllCatsAreEvil OP 17 Aug 2023
It sounds like an interesting idea and something to look at - this is what I've missed about these old school forums, thanks
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20 sats \ 2 replies \ @mudbloodvonfrei 17 Aug 2023
I use CalyxOS, but it still requires a Pixel..
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @AllCatsAreEvil OP 17 Aug 2023
Yeah I just saw someone else say that, it's a shame that some good alternatives still require Google hardware
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @mudbloodvonfrei 17 Aug 2023
I'm with you on that. Every 3-4 months I spend a few hours searching for alternatives in the hopes that something better comes out. I want to try Sailfish OS at some point. It's not entirely open source, but it is linux-based and I have respect for any company willing to compete with Google and Apple.
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20 sats \ 1 reply \ @nightsofbitcoin 17 Aug 2023
Nextel
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @AllCatsAreEvil OP 17 Aug 2023
I'll Google that one too, ta
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20 sats \ 1 reply \ @Lux 16 Aug 2023
Theres also this https://e.foundation/e-os/
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @AllCatsAreEvil OP 16 Aug 2023
Tha ks, a quick read shows its compatible with android based apps and that's a big plus
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20 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 17 Aug 2023
I understand this dis-trust of Google. Bottom line to consider is that you are always trusting someone unless you build your own devices, manage your own network, build your own software. I'm not trying to talk you out of this because I would love to see other phones supported besides those made by Google. Its probably the biggest issue with de-googled phones. Google could break these privacy roms if they wanted to. I don't see that happening in the short term but they could do it. I also believe that if they started doing things in the chips to track people, security researchers would find out and report it.
Be careful that you don't buy some cheap crap android device that is made by some no name manufacturer thinking you've escaped the eyes of the watchers. Most of the privacy issues are not hardware issues. The apps and the OS are the main issues.
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20 sats \ 1 reply \ @sahil 17 Aug 2023
I would suggest that get your device codename and search for available Custom ROMs built by the community on TG/ XDA forums (Which are tested and then uploaded by them)
There are tons of Custom ROMs out there you can explore. And also, you can make your own ROM if you don't find your match (Not much of a code just cherry-picking stuff and a machine to build it).
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @AllCatsAreEvil OP 17 Aug 2023
This is an interesting idea and one I'll have to look at, thanks
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @JesseJames 17 Aug 2023
What's wrong with Graphene? You can't take credit from Google hardware engineers, it's a darn good hardware. Google spy Software is what sucks, so Grafphene replaces it.
It's like installing linux on intel x86 that was primarily designed to run windows. Hardware good, software bad... replace bad.
Just my 2 cents
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @nullama 17 Aug 2023
They run on Pixels because that's pretty much the best phone in terms of security and privacy.
You can read here some of the properties that a phone should have in order to be able to run GrapheneOS on it. Here's an excerpt:
Why would an alternative not have backdoors but the pixels, the most private and secure phones, would have them? Makes no sense to me.
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @kristapsk 17 Aug 2023
Sailfish OS? Native Linux OS, instead of Android bullshit. Original MeeGo by Nokia and Intel, which was killed because of politics not tech back then.
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @sandagoriate 17 Aug 2023
LineageOS is an option. There is Ubuntu Touch as well. There is SailfishOS as well.
BTW: I made this post about Linux pre-installed mobiles: #226965
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Mag_Dumps 17 Aug 2023
If you change the software /OS.....it doesnt matter what "backdoors" are on the hardware. Software is what tells hardware how to act.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @AllCatsAreEvil OP 17 Aug 2023
This is what I'm thinking -
https://hackaday.com/2017/07/30/find-instructions-hidden-in-your-cpu/
If there's hidden opcodes in the CPU then it doesn't matter what software you're running, there could be an unknown number of back doors. Given who Google was founded and supported by in its earliest days, surely the wise thing to do is to err on the side of caution?
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