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50 sats \ 4 replies \ @bluematt 14 Nov 2023 \ parent \ on: Mutiny Wallet forced closed, on-chain balance zero bitcoin
The bitkit issue the devs believe has been addressed, at least per the final comment on the issue, I assume they're waiting on confirmation from the user before closing the issue. As I said above BlueWallet's LDK integration is fully unmaintained at this point. They haven't touched it in several years and never got it through a lot of testing. I'd believe it has bugs, it may even have bugs with the several year old version of LDK its using. But in either case its definitely not an example of how LDK performs :)
All software have bugs, is understandable, especially in the early phase.
The only thing that I expect is that these kind of serious issues (losing funds) will get more PRIORITY.
As you saw, that issue is old from 1+ year ago and is still not fixed! After that last comment on github, where more back and forth emails with the support guy, that went nowhere. Funds are still lost or nobody knows where they go.
If LDK have some devs building some new apps, you should stay in touch all the time with them and see all these serious issues, trying to help them identify the problems.
Blaming them or the users using beta (for testing) is not the way...
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Software that is pre-release has very different priorities from software that is released. Indeed, released software with end-users putting lots of funds in these kinds of issues become high priority, but before its released, they may not always be, depending on what other issues developers are working on.
If LDK have some devs building some new apps, you should stay in touch all the time with them and see all these serious issues, trying to help them identify the problems.
We tend to! LDK in general provides very hands-on support for developers building LDK-based applications. Some developers take more or less advantage of that, but we generally don't have time to actively monitor github issues for all dependent projects. Instead, we let developers using LDK bring issues to us when they feel like it may be a bug in LDK or that LDK is doing something they don't understand. We are generally pretty responsive and get back to such requests within a day or so.
If LDK have some devs building some new apps, you should stay in touch all the time with them and see all these serious issues, trying to help them identify the problems.
I don't believe I ever blamed Mutiny, BlueWallet, or bitkit here. I only pointed out that looking at unmaintained multi-year-stale code (BlueWallet) and pre-release software (bitkit) is not a good indication of the maturity of LDK. None of that is blame, BlueWallet decided to go a different direction and never shipped their LDK logic, bitkit is working towards release but isn't there yet. There's nothing wrong with either of those.
I also noted that LDK can be hard to use, and that can cause issues by itself, that's on us, we don't ever blame any downstream developer for misunderstanding how LDK works, we try to improve the interface and documentation instead! But, LDK's interface is very powerful and low-level, which certainly requires a lot of work. This is why, mentioned above, we built ldk-node, to get developers from 0 to a running, safe, reliable lightning node in a week or less.
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There's nothing wrong with either of those.
Only that users testing them are losing funds and when are reporting these issues, the devs are trying to suppress their voice, ignore the github issues for months and not responding to support calls.
John Carvlaho called me crazy because I was trying to report the issue on their telegram group and on github: #155848
When in fact I was just trying to help identify the problem.
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Okay, I'm done arguing this, you can take it up with bitkit, but it sounds like you have and they told you to chill out and wait until they finish building before you complain about specific bugs. Maybe worth listening to them.
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