21 sats \ 33 replies \ @Bell_curve 12 Feb \ on: Hans-Hermann Hoppe: A libertarian view of the Ukraine-Russia conflict libertarian
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Yes. That's a done deal.
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LOL. Western Ukraine is montaineus area that have hated Russians like forever. They were part of Austria-Hungary before WWI. Russians don't have military and manpower to hold it even if they somehow manage to conquer it, it will be partisan warfare hell for them.
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Russia has no interest in taking Kiev
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Of course, I will assist you.
By the way, the climate change expert is hopeless since he believes the great reset is right wing manipulation
LOL. when they started this "special military operation", their plan was to "take Kyiv in 3 days".
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Lol. He meant (at least I) eastern Ukraine.
And Lol: aren't you one of these pros who keep claiming that Russia wants to conquer all of Europe? how is that possible if he can't even hold the shithole of western Ukraine? you need to start thinking before you argue.
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Not all of the Europe, but Putin wants to restore Empire. That, in addition to Ukraine and Belarus, means Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, Finland. He even has painting of tsar Nicholas I in his room, who was ruler when Russia had the biggest territory ever. Ironically, Nicholas I also failed miserably, losing Crimean War. And desires and abilities of Putin are different things. It's mistake assuming he always acts rationally. He wants to go into history books as the guy who made Russia great again.
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Belarus is an ally of Russia. Ukraine is a different animal. Putin wants a neutral Ukraine and wants to annex the Russian part of Ukraine as a buffer zone.
Maybe in 2010 Putin had imperial ambitions but that ship has sailed and Putin knows it.
He views Ukraine as a defensive war because Ukraine aided by NATO is national security threat for Russia
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"Russian part of Ukraine" is Russian propaganda myth. I personally know people from eastern Ukraine, their native language is Russian, but they don't consider themselves Russians and don't want to be part of Russia.
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Myth will become reality when this conflict ends. Ukraine doesn’t have the manpower and artillery and tanks to push Russia out of the east
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Ok. you are ignoring any form of geopolitical consideration point i think the discussion no longer makes sense if it is only manifestly argued in terms of good and evil. the Russian army would never be able to occupy Europe permanently, that should be clear to everyone. at the same time, NATO is completely bled dry, both economically and militarily. the prehistory with the maidan coup in 2014 and the attacks on the Russian population in Donbass, the decimation of the population there, none of that plays a role in your considerations. that's okay with me, but you are simply victims of the propaganda of your own newspapers. have fun with that. and, I think I've explained this here 20 times by now, the rearmament of the Ukrainian army, the total shithol of Europe, into a top NATO army should actually make you wonder, shouldn't it? at least if you're prepared to switch your brain on again at some point. plus the eternally broken promise of NATO's expansion to the Russian borders. none of this matters, does it? and besides: what do you call the wars of aggression by NATO in recent decades and the United States? Kosovo Vietnam Korea Iraq one Iraq 2 Syria afghanistan-all with hundreds of thousands of civilians as collateral damage. those were probably all peacekeeping missions in your ideology, huh?
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Agree with your analysis. Ukraine needs men and artillery to prolong the war but draft dodgers make it impossible. Even money to Ukraine would not help.
Aid to Ukraine is expensive virtue signaling.
I predict there will be a ceasefire with Russia annexing part of Ukraine.
Why does NATO continue to send money to Ukraine when most of its members won’t pay their membership annual fee. USA pays full amount. Europe keeps welching on its financial obligations to NATO.
Another reason they hate Trump who was the first president to publicize this fact
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Putin doesn’t view the Baltic states as a security threat unlike Ukraine
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Sorry for the mistake. I meant eastern Ukraine which is mostly Russian
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It isn't Russian, it's Russian speaking Ukrainians. Same as not all English speaking Irish are English.
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yes exactly, and the 95% who voted in Crimea to join Russia were probably Chinese
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Regardless Ukraine doesn’t have the manpower and weaponry to win. They should cut their losses
What about the 2014 election and subsequent coup?
So much for elections and democracy.
Free dumb!
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Revolution not coup. It was mass movement. You are stupid believing cheap Russian propaganda. Do you know personally at least one Ukrainian?
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This revolution was caused by desire to join EU and NATO?
You can see why Putin and Russia don’t want a NATO member or ally pushing against their borders
Revolution, coup, potato, tomato
I don’t know any Ukrainians.
Belfast or Dublin?
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Neither Belfast nor Dublin have Irish speaking majority.
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At this point Ukraine lacks manpower and artillery.Russia will most likely annex western Ukraine.
I meant eastern Ukraine!!!
Big mistake!
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