SN heads up: boost is more expensive
1119 sats \ 31 comments \ @k00b 24 Jul 2022 meta
Last Thursday, the 6 top posts were boosted items. This tipped us off that it's perhaps too cheap to boost and acquire a user's attention.
To make sure we, users, are better compensated for our attention, I've increased the minimum boost to 5000 sats. I've also made how it works more clear. There's now a little info icon next to boost that says:
  • Boost ranks posts higher temporarily based on the amount
  • The minimum boost is 5000 sats
  • Each 5000 sats of boost is equivalent to one trusted upvote
    • e.g. 10000 sats is like 2 votes
  • The decay of boost "votes" increases at 2x the rate of organic votes
    • i.e. boost votes fall out of ranking faster
  • 100% of sats from boost are given back to top users as rewards
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144 sats \ 11 replies \ @tomlaies 24 Jul 2022
This is a good change.
I like that they decay faster. In the future this maybe also could cost dynamically more but it does not have to as long as there is no significant spam/astroturfing/submarining problem yet.
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503 sats \ 8 replies \ @k00b OP 24 Jul 2022
We are considering adding some type of ad slot that users do not see unless they opt in which boosts their rewards.
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226 sats \ 0 replies \ @andyleroy 25 Jul 2022
This would be great (h/t to @kr as well on this topic)
I would love to be able to promote certain content and feature releases for my product on SN, and differentiate from more general questions/discussions/news.
I am also happy to pay more to be featured without decay for a certain time length as well, and it would be great for a user to recognize the transparency and intent of my promoted product post as compared to other times when I'm happy to boost to help get visibility on a discussion or general question. All of which has been tremendously valuable thus far - SN is such a great community and I'm a big fan of everything you have/are building at SN. Looking forward to sending a mega-boost soon 😅🚀
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106 sats \ 3 replies \ @sb 24 Jul 2022
That's a great idea! I wonder if you could allow users to customize how many ads they see to earn proportionately more. This is an interesting rewards model that Brave browser uses (you can choose how often you see ads)
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @kilianbuhn 24 Jul 2022
Ads in the text based industry are very low yield. You can try playing play2earn games that are almost 100% ad watching for sats. It could make good income for the platform but not very good per user.
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61 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b OP 24 Jul 2022
It’s just an idea. If users don’t make money from it, they would just never turn it on.
We are just trying to come up with ways for users to make more sats + given all the boosts that are happening, there’s demand to show stuff to them.
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100 sats \ 0 replies \ @rheedi0 25 Jul 2022
You're coming up with great stuff here @k00b
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100 sats \ 2 replies \ @ThrillerX_ 26 Jul 2022
where exactly do you plan on positioning it? can each user choose? for me i won’t use unless I control where it sits on the ranking
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255 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b OP 26 Jul 2022
It'd sit at the top probably. Sounds like you wouldn't Opt-in which is good feedback.
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100 sats \ 0 replies \ @ThrillerX_ 26 Jul 2022
ya for me the best part of SN has always been how clean everything is but im kinda a aesthetic kinda guy
love that you gave that option for turning it off and on, this is how ads should be…think you might be onto something 💫
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @selfish_gene 24 Jul 2022
давай думать на опережение. приходит казино и делает 200000 аккаунтов и все очень долгое время видят это. что сделать?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @tomlaies 24 Jul 2022
Ты говоришь о себе? ;)
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110 sats \ 1 reply \ @faithandcredit 24 Jul 2022
I love what you are doing. But have others noticed that some of the items on the front page are up to 4 days old? I wonder why that is
Also im curious what the first subreddit is going to be since i heard the first one will be launching soon and am wondering if there is a better word for it than subreddit
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30 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b OP 26 Jul 2022
If the community really likes a post, it sits on the frontpage longer, i.e. votes increase ranking slightly non-linearly: # votes^1.2/elapsed time^1.3
For now, while the community is small, this appears to be a good thing: discussions can build around popular topics/announcements/amas.
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100 sats \ 0 replies \ @linesgone 25 Jul 2022
Well balanced and considered change. Well done!
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100 sats \ 2 replies \ @vijo 25 Jul 2022
What is the definition of a "trusted upvote"?
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70 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b OP 26 Jul 2022
We use a Web of Trust algorithm to determine if a user upvotes well according to other users. If a user upvotes things early that other users don't find good, they lose trust. If they upvote things early that other users do like, they gain trust.
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100 sats \ 0 replies \ @LaserStack 26 Jul 2022
Wow, absolute genius. I always wondered how the trustedness algo worked. Now I know.
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100 sats \ 0 replies \ @gms 24 Jul 2022
I like it, if they want my interest, let them pay.
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100 sats \ 1 reply \ @beorange 24 Jul 2022 freebie
Sounds reasonable, perhaps still a bit cheap, but lets see how it works.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @selfish_gene 27 Jul 2022
нет это плохо повлияет. если что то взломали то нужно будет больше денег что б сообщить. а это плохо может повлиять.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @selfish_gene 24 Jul 2022
или мы хотим видеть важные? если так, то стоит уделить внимание категориям. кошки, собаки, пингвины, дом, ипотеку, кредит, биткоин, доллар, нефть, дети, дерево, книга.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @selfish_gene 24 Jul 2022
или можно использовать время как основной покупатель. время для всех одинаково. идея?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ThrillerX_ 26 Jul 2022
Love this btw👏
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @BeardedSaintRef 25 Jul 2022
The more active, the more SATs should be given or boosted…love that it decreases though
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b OP 26 Jul 2022
What do you mean by this exactly? If boosted posts are upvoted by users, it will increase its ranking.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @jeff 24 Jul 2022
Why wouldn't it just be continuous? Are votes integers-only? Why need a minimum at all?
pseudo_vote = float(boost) / 5000
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b OP 24 Jul 2022
5000 is the minimum, but you can do any amount over that. It’s continuous.
Doing anything less than 5000 just wouldn’t make sense. It’d be a foot gun.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @selfish_gene 24 Jul 2022
тут борьба за то что бы попасть в топ? тогда это может сделать лишь богатый. я могу простить с одного аккаунта а раскачать с другого. есть совет. можно сделать буст и 100к и 200к но это не показатель сообщения в сети. более богатый сможет написать ересь и бред за свои 200к буст. предлогаю сделать на основе времени. 1 час 1к 12 часов 5к 24 часа 10к. тогда мы сможем увидеть все сообщения.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @selfish_gene 24 Jul 2022
... или совсем убрать все ограничения?... оставить только время. его не возможно купить, или напечатать. минута 1 сатоши.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @selfish_gene 24 Jul 2022
тогда каждый сможет отсеять для себя 1 минуту 5 минут 10минут день ли неделю.
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