When to increase your zap? \ stacker news ~meta

611 sats \ 30 comments \ @riberet19 16 Jun meta

Hello everyone, Stackers, today I decided to increase my Zap a bit, so it occurred to me to ask when other stackers decide to increase their default amount of Zap? I would like to know when and why you do it, I think that the more SATS you stack the higher your zap should start to be, setting a limit if it is due as well.

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58 sats \ 9 replies \ @carlosfandango 16 Jun

The real expert on this is @Undisciplined - I guess there could be a common number relative to stack size….

But really it’s about rewarding value you receive relative to your personal metrics and part of that metric could be the sats you have withdrawn and spent keeps that number down.

(Apologies stream of consciousness reply lol)

89 sats \ 8 replies \ @riberet19 OP 16 Jun

I understand, my intention is to give away more sats while increasing my balance, which in the end rewards back to both the Stackers and me, so it's a Win-Win and that's what I'm looking for.

26 sats \ 3 replies \ @Undisciplined 16 Jun

You are a person after my own heart!

It just so happens that my highest rated post #287074 is about exactly this.

However, I've adjusted my methods a little. Now, I keep an eye on my estimated rewards and spending on the leaderboard. If my spending is substantially below rewards, I make a point of zapping a bit more.

Shortly after I joined Stacker News there were a couple of big discussions encouraging people to increase the amount they were zapping. That's what kicked off my obsessions with trying to get it right and encouraging others to zap more.

79 sats \ 2 replies \ @riberet19 OP 16 Jun

This is what I wanted to hear, yes, I am also looking at the table now, to adjust my expenses, I think it has been a good option to increase my zap, I think I will continue to do it as long as the margins remain optimal, I want to be a Big Zapper!

26 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 16 Jun

In case it helps, I also wrote a post about specific zap values, so people could be more competitive zappers: #561854.

There is very much an upper limit, where zaps no longer pay off, but it's higher than most people think.

31 sats \ 0 replies \ @riberet19 OP 16 Jun

thank you! I'm going to read it right now

16 sats \ 3 replies \ @carlosfandango 16 Jun

Absolutely - wasn’t criticising your plan which is sounds.

I was really exploring the idea that each stacker has a different idea, based on whether they withdraw their sats and spend them/ deep storage etc, and that affects what an increasing stack looks like to them. This may be influenced by the 10k maximum holding on SN as well.

The stack-spend metrics for visible stackers and SN analytics are quite interesting for this.

20 sats \ 1 reply \ @anon 16 Jun

withdrawing your cowboy credits? heresy!

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @carlosfandango 16 Jun

Some people do apparently…

20 sats \ 0 replies \ @riberet19 OP 16 Jun

Yes, everyone has a way of looking at it, I guess many will be doing the same thing as me while others keep their zap static, anyway, any method is good, the important thing is to zap as much as you can!

36 sats \ 1 reply \ @Satosora 16 Jun

Take a zap amount that you are comfortable with. Change some settings, so the zap doesnt double. Then you can click 2 or 3 times on post you really like, and zap only once on post that reply.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @riberet19 OP 16 Jun

I already do the click-several times, and I will continue to do it with my zap increased.

26 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 16 Jun

Zap wisely... Sats are scarced. Your stacker votes do NOT represent how much sats you zapped. 1 sat = 1 vote. More sats2 in a zap are ONLY YOUR appreciation to that stacker, it does NOT give more "visibility" or appreciation.

I am not saying to not zap more sats. I am saying only to zap wisely. You will remember my words.

47 sats \ 2 replies \ @ek 16 Jun freebie

More sats in a zap are ONLY YOUR appreciation to that stacker, it does NOT give more "visibility" or appreciation.

Wrong, see my response here:

1 sat = 1 vote, 10 sats = 2 votes, 100 sats = 3 votes etc. (+ votes are weighted by your trust). So no, it's not enough to zap 1 sat if you think it deserves more (especially compared to other content).

I thought you already knew this 🤔

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 16 Jun

wrong algo. multiply sats should not be multiply of votes. That is a flaw in SN algo that could be manipulated.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @jasonb 16 Jun

Oh wow! I didn’t know this. Very cool!

26 sats \ 3 replies \ @cryotosensei 16 Jun

This Jan n Feb, my default zap was 108 or 168, even 328 on one memorable night, because the zapping climate was strong. Any random article I posted regularly garnered me at least 4-5k worth of sats.

Then the zapping culture died down. These days, if I get 1000 sats on an article, I will give myself a pat on the shoulder. So my default zap dwindled down to 21 sats haha.

Recently though, I raised the default amount to 49 sats because I wanna stop being cheap haha. Also trying out a new way of thinking in which I zap to make others (and hence, myself) happy instead of trying to come out on the right side of the Daily Rewards. For comments that took a lot of time for the Stacker to write, I would zap 108 sats.

59 sats \ 2 replies \ @riberet19 OP 16 Jun

Yes, I intend to increase it to a point where it is still profitable for me, it is sad to see how the zap culture vanishes, I have also realized that those of us who zap are always the same, one can more or less intuit who is zapping by the amount you receive, many people are not zapping, I think especially the new ones.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @carlosfandango 16 Jun

It does seem like you can predict zapees…. a lot more people seem to be stacking than sharing….

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @cryotosensei 16 Jun

You can always count on Sensei

26 sats \ 1 reply \ @cristaiji 16 Jun

I haven’t worked it out but I agree that generally zapping more is beneficial up to a point. I’m still experimenting with it.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @riberet19 OP 16 Jun

I just increased my zap by 60%, I'll increase it over time, I think it's beneficial, the more sats you move, the more sats will move toward you.

16 sats \ 1 reply \ @grayruby 16 Jun

I always leave my default at 10 but I rarely ever use 10. Generally 20-100 for comments and 50-1000 for posts.

50 sats \ 0 replies \ @riberet19 OP 16 Jun

Your zap is quite good, I want to reach those numbers, and little by little I will increase it definitively.

16 sats \ 1 reply \ @MB 16 Jun

I think it depends on where you are on your stacker journey. I’m fairly new and started at the default amount (can’t remember what that was). I suddenly found I didn’t have many sats as I was fascinated by so many topics. I reduced my zaps to 10 but I feel that as a new kid on the block that 21 Sats to zap is a solid number which is my current default amount. I’m giving a nod to history along with being a decent amount.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @riberet19 OP 16 Jun

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I started with a zap of a few sats, then I went up to 10 sats, now it's 16 and soon I'll raise it to 21, then we'll see if I keep going up, I hope so!

16 sats \ 2 replies \ @030e0dca83 16 Jun

Never did it. If content is more valuable than average I just press zap button several times

The question is: with time and increasing value of Bitcoin will you decrease your default zap?

11 sats \ 1 reply \ @riberet19 OP 16 Jun

It shouldn't decrease as long as a good zap culture prevails in SN, but who knows...

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @030e0dca83 16 Jun

Let's imagine 1 Bitcoin costs 8 million dollars. Will you continue to zap 1000 sats?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @SatsMate 17 Jun

For me at least, I keep my zap size at 21, but if there is a post I really like - or an engaging comment I will triple, quad or ocho tap. I'm not one to ask as I am super new though.