Neither are "pushing it" afaik, that's a specific shot at the Fedimint stakeholders for whom it was built

I do know that Evan shares many of of my sentiments about it and has for awhile... but he's also expeditious with his users requests. He may still be a shitcoiner depending on what support Zeus gets for Taproot Assets :wink: @evankaloudis

Luke has engaged on the topic, but I can't find it because every Nostr client sucks and I don't remember exactly his response. I'm pretty sure they're backed by Jack, who also created Spiral and appointed one of the biggest clowns in Bitcoin to run that- who is a major (non-technical ofc) pusher of it... I'll chock that up to proximity of that one particular clown