Argentina's president Javier Milei will now seek membership in NATO. By his own admission, he cannot remain neutral here at this point in the face of war. So is he a libertarian war hero now, or what?
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Argentina's president Javier Milei will now seek membership in NATO. By his own admission, he cannot remain neutral here at this point in the face of war. So is he a libertarian war hero now, or what?
What does the "N" in NATO stand for again?
Nobody here has been sticking to any rules or pacts for a long time now. For me, the n stands for napalm
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If that were true, many people would still be alive today
Thank God they don't take more action. I'd like the surface of the Earth to remain habitable.
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Ukraine really needs help. Where does Argentina get the money?
USD credit lines?
This seems to me to be more of an international political move than anything else. Argentina is not in a position to spend a lot of money on the military.
right. nevertheless, they have announced that they want to buy F16 fighters and pass them on to Ukraine, including the training. this can only be financed through new credit lines.
Americans pockets are helping Ukraine war
Yes, the europeans too, and it shouldn't be for nothing.
the Europeans will soon have completely different problems. just look at the recession that is only just beginning
How can Argentina join NATO if it's "North Atlantic Treaty Organization"? Member states of NATO are not obligated to come to the defence of territory south of the Tropic of Cancer. Best they could become is a global partner.
The books are closed. Not accepting any new members
Not really. But new potential NATO members are limited to Europe.
See Article 10 of the Treaty:
what is "instrument of accession"?
Formal document, where state asks that it wants to join NATO. Name likely comes from partition of India in 1947 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_of_Accession).
US Senate must approve with 2/3 super majority
This is no longer a North Atlantic defensive club.
This is no longer a North Atlantic defensive club.
See Article 10 of the Treaty.
and every member is supposed to spend 2% of GDP on defense
only 6 of 32 members are meeting this provision
Yes, but that's different, that agreement between member states is not part of the Treaty document. It's just promise by countries.
It is an offensive club devoid of any legitimacy after the Warsaw pact was dissolved. Warmongers keep NATO alive and justify their bloated bureaucracy by making up new villains to bomb. The only hope for peace is to sat no to NATO and US and starve the beast until it dies
And there will be no peace in Europe if nobody will seriously confront Russia.
NATO was established six years before Warsaw pact (1949 v 1955).
Can you give examples of "making up new villains to bomb"? Most NATO missions have been either response to attacks or UN sanctioned missions.
Oh, Isnt this a quick way to get the Maldivas problem in the drawer? And kiss the US masters ring?
Yep
What is the Maldivas problem?
Oh shit.. I meant Malvinas, Falkland in British :) Need another jug of coffee.. hahaha
I know I know. Lol
So now we know he was really a fraud, libertarianism doesn't really go with warmongers ...defending Ukrainian democracy is a joke considering before the war Ukraine was the most corrupt country in Europe and its democratically elected president had to run for his life in 2014. For sure Argentinians must appreciate that they get the (necessary) austerity while Miley gets the military spending
It's terrible to see that the Argentinians are now being screwed like this too.
Finally, Millei is showing who supported him to be the captain of a sinking ship! The ship is still drowning but the captain is adamant to believe on those who promised to save it all.
NATO is a war machine propoganda and playing around to promote corporates that manufacture safety by killing equipments. Shame on current world!
Even here there are a lot of people who fell for the nato propaganda. Please watch what Pres. Eisenhower once said about the power behind politics: https://youtu.be/Gg-jvHynP9Y?si=1BFBUtFM1vEGTgYU
Argentina can't send aid to anyone, the coffers are bare
They'll be bying F-16,.surprise surprise, by whom?? And will send them to the ukrainian money launderers.
No new members!
Country club is over capacity
Ah, there is a lot of free seats if You want to apply for new USD credit lines
Why is this surprising? NATO's enemies are clearly the bad guys, and it makes sense for Argentina to be apart of a defensive alliance. The possibility of Argentina getting invaded by someone like China or maybe even Russia is certainly not zero.
If you want to live in peace, you have to have the ability to defend yourself. Doing that as part of an alliance is much cheaper.
NATO are not the good guys, geopolitics don't work that way
Being a NATO member could increase the odds of a worldwide conflict spreading to South America.
If Argentina’s goal is to preserve peace, it would try to maintain neutral geopolitical posture and good trade relations with Russia or China and acquire BTC for its reserves as a geopolitical leveraging tool.
Russia is quite happy to attack neutral, weak, countries and take their stuff. Ukraine being a perfect example.
That are simply thugs who are happy to steal what they can. The way to defend yourself against such thugs is to align with strong nations who are against thuggery. NATO is exactly that.
Remind me, when was the last time a country in NATO got invaded?
Good point
Not even New Zealand or Australia are part of NATO. It's not going to happen to any country outside of Europe besides US & Canada.
Could we have capitalized any better from USA monetary excess? Leaping on the wave of historic USD emission out of the national banking nightmare and straight into monetary freedom. Isn't Milei a genius?
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Argentina would be SATO, based on location, am I right? Not North Atlantic at all. Plus the northern hemisphere has stifled and stopped technology transfer to the south since the end of the Cold War.
I personally heard this in a direct statement from a rep at the United Nations in Vienna back in 1991.
I'm skeptical because the sources are circular. Where is the Argentina news declaration of this?
If Argentina wants to get involved it is due to the money grab, territory grab and resources. Also, Argentina has a very large population that is sympathetic to those who fought for the Nazi which definitely includes Ukraine nationalists.
apparently came from the minister of defense himself around april Luis Petri.. They aim to be global partners.. not full members
Where is the source? That was my question. There should be a declaration on a government website in Spanish. Seeing Ukraine language on a polish website about Argentina joining NATO (or desiring to) is about as convoluted as you can get.
here on the NATO site:
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_224873.htm
or the offical gov site:
https://www.argentina.gob.ar/noticias/argentina-inicia-el-proceso-de-ingreso-la-otan-como-socio-global
you cant get any better.. There are some spanish articles also
Cool, awesome, thank you for these links.
you are welcome
Obviously it began in April: https://apnews.com/article/president-milei-argentina-nato-f16s-military-bf56ef4b18646438500c921250c66e93
That's not a source, that's the AP which the first link leads to nowhere and it is a gas-lit paragraph:
There is no source from the government, just a statement from the AP which is a questionable organization that used to be a "legitimate source". Yet there is no, source for the article.
Where does this come from? What source?