Argentina To Join NATO!? \ stacker news ~news

1452 sats \ 57 comments \ @TomK 9 Jul news

Argentina's president Javier Milei will now seek membership in NATO. By his own admission, he cannot remain neutral here at this point in the face of war. So is he a libertarian war hero now, or what?

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75 sats \ 5 replies \ @Undisciplined 9 Jul

What does the "N" in NATO stand for again?

52 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 9 Jul

Nobody here has been sticking to any rules or pacts for a long time now. For me, the n stands for napalm

43 sats \ 3 replies \ @carlosfandango 9 Jul

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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 9 Jul

If that were true, many people would still be alive today

66 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 9 Jul

Thank God they don't take more action. I'd like the surface of the Earth to remain habitable.

66 sats \ 0 replies \ @carlosfandango 9 Jul

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58 sats \ 6 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 9 Jul

Ukraine really needs help. Where does Argentina get the money?

46 sats \ 2 replies \ @TomK OP 9 Jul

USD credit lines?

58 sats \ 1 reply \ @0xbitcoiner 9 Jul

This seems to me to be more of an international political move than anything else. Argentina is not in a position to spend a lot of money on the military.

45 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 9 Jul

right. nevertheless, they have announced that they want to buy F16 fighters and pass them on to Ukraine, including the training. this can only be financed through new credit lines.

58 sats \ 2 replies \ @guts 9 Jul

Americans pockets are helping Ukraine war

45 sats \ 1 reply \ @0xbitcoiner 9 Jul

Yes, the europeans too, and it shouldn't be for nothing.

32 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 9 Jul

the Europeans will soon have completely different problems. just look at the recession that is only just beginning

58 sats \ 13 replies \ @kristapsk 9 Jul

How can Argentina join NATO if it's "North Atlantic Treaty Organization"? Member states of NATO are not obligated to come to the defence of territory south of the Tropic of Cancer. Best they could become is a global partner.

46 sats \ 4 replies \ @Bell_curve 9 Jul

The books are closed. Not accepting any new members

14 sats \ 3 replies \ @kristapsk 9 Jul

Not really. But new potential NATO members are limited to Europe.

See Article 10 of the Treaty:

The Parties may, by unanimous agreement, invite any other European State in a position to further the principles of this Treaty and to contribute to the security of the North Atlantic area to accede to this Treaty. Any State so invited may become a Party to the Treaty by depositing its instrument of accession with the Government of the United States of America. The Government of the United States of America will inform each of the Parties of the deposit of each such instrument of accession.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 9 Jul

what is "instrument of accession"?

58 sats \ 0 replies \ @kristapsk 9 Jul

Formal document, where state asks that it wants to join NATO. Name likely comes from partition of India in 1947 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_of_Accession).

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 9 Jul

US Senate must approve with 2/3 super majority

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 9 Jul

This is no longer a North Atlantic defensive club.

0 sats \ 6 replies \ @TomK OP 9 Jul

This is no longer a North Atlantic defensive club.

13 sats \ 2 replies \ @kristapsk 9 Jul

See Article 10 of the Treaty.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 9 Jul

and every member is supposed to spend 2% of GDP on defense

only 6 of 32 members are meeting this provision

58 sats \ 0 replies \ @kristapsk 9 Jul

Yes, but that's different, that agreement between member states is not part of the Treaty document. It's just promise by countries.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @wingalt 9 Jul

It is an offensive club devoid of any legitimacy after the Warsaw pact was dissolved. Warmongers keep NATO alive and justify their bloated bureaucracy by making up new villains to bomb. The only hope for peace is to sat no to NATO and US and starve the beast until it dies

13 sats \ 0 replies \ @kristapsk 9 Jul

And there will be no peace in Europe if nobody will seriously confront Russia.

13 sats \ 0 replies \ @kristapsk 9 Jul

devoid of any legitimacy after the Warsaw pact was dissolved

NATO was established six years before Warsaw pact (1949 v 1955).

Can you give examples of "making up new villains to bomb"? Most NATO missions have been either response to attacks or UN sanctioned missions.

56 sats \ 4 replies \ @fm 9 Jul

Oh, Isnt this a quick way to get the Maldivas problem in the drawer? And kiss the US masters ring?

31 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 9 Jul

Yep

10 sats \ 2 replies \ @chungkingexpress 9 Jul

What is the Maldivas problem?

76 sats \ 1 reply \ @fm 9 Jul

Oh shit.. I meant Malvinas, Falkland in British :) Need another jug of coffee.. hahaha

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 9 Jul

I know I know. Lol

46 sats \ 1 reply \ @wingalt 9 Jul

So now we know he was really a fraud, libertarianism doesn't really go with warmongers ...defending Ukrainian democracy is a joke considering before the war Ukraine was the most corrupt country in Europe and its democratically elected president had to run for his life in 2014. For sure Argentinians must appreciate that they get the (necessary) austerity while Miley gets the military spending

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 9 Jul

It's terrible to see that the Argentinians are now being screwed like this too.

45 sats \ 1 reply \ @Coinsreporter 10 Jul

Finally, Millei is showing who supported him to be the captain of a sinking ship! The ship is still drowning but the captain is adamant to believe on those who promised to save it all.

NATO is a war machine propoganda and playing around to promote corporates that manufacture safety by killing equipments. Shame on current world!

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 10 Jul

Even here there are a lot of people who fell for the nato propaganda. Please watch what Pres. Eisenhower once said about the power behind politics:

45 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 9 Jul

Argentina can't send aid to anyone, the coffers are bare

13 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 9 Jul

They'll be bying F-16,.surprise surprise, by whom?? And will send them to the ukrainian money launderers.

45 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 9 Jul

No new members!

Country club is over capacity

13 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 9 Jul

Ah, there is a lot of free seats if You want to apply for new USD credit lines

13 sats \ 4 replies \ @petertodd 9 Jul

Why is this surprising? NATO's enemies are clearly the bad guys, and it makes sense for Argentina to be apart of a defensive alliance. The possibility of Argentina getting invaded by someone like China or maybe even Russia is certainly not zero.

If you want to live in peace, you have to have the ability to defend yourself. Doing that as part of an alliance is much cheaper.

58 sats \ 0 replies \ @guts 9 Jul

NATO are not the good guys, geopolitics don't work that way

58 sats \ 2 replies \ @teemupleb 9 Jul

Being a NATO member could increase the odds of a worldwide conflict spreading to South America.

If Argentina’s goal is to preserve peace, it would try to maintain neutral geopolitical posture and good trade relations with Russia or China and acquire BTC for its reserves as a geopolitical leveraging tool.

13 sats \ 0 replies \ @petertodd 9 Jul

Russia is quite happy to attack neutral, weak, countries and take their stuff. Ukraine being a perfect example.

That are simply thugs who are happy to steal what they can. The way to defend yourself against such thugs is to align with strong nations who are against thuggery. NATO is exactly that.

Remind me, when was the last time a country in NATO got invaded?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 9 Jul

Good point

13 sats \ 0 replies \ @zuspotirko 9 Jul

Not even New Zealand or Australia are part of NATO. It's not going to happen to any country outside of Europe besides US & Canada.

13 sats \ 1 reply \ @didiplaywell 9 Jul

Could we have capitalized any better from USA monetary excess? Leaping on the wave of historic USD emission out of the national banking nightmare and straight into monetary freedom. Isn't Milei a genius?

20 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 9 Jul

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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @TNStacker 9 Jul

Argentina would be SATO, based on location, am I right? Not North Atlantic at all. Plus the northern hemisphere has stifled and stopped technology transfer to the south since the end of the Cold War.

I personally heard this in a direct statement from a rep at the United Nations in Vienna back in 1991.

0 sats \ 7 replies \ @Nuttall 9 Jul

I'm skeptical because the sources are circular. Where is the Argentina news declaration of this?

If Argentina wants to get involved it is due to the money grab, territory grab and resources. Also, Argentina has a very large population that is sympathetic to those who fought for the Nazi which definitely includes Ukraine nationalists.

23 sats \ 6 replies \ @fm 9 Jul

apparently came from the minister of defense himself around april Luis Petri.. They aim to be global partners.. not full members

50 sats \ 5 replies \ @Nuttall 9 Jul

Where is the source? That was my question. There should be a declaration on a government website in Spanish. Seeing Ukraine language on a polish website about Argentina joining NATO (or desiring to) is about as convoluted as you can get.

68 sats \ 2 replies \ @fm 9 Jul

here on the NATO site:

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_224873.htm

or the offical gov site:

https://www.argentina.gob.ar/noticias/argentina-inicia-el-proceso-de-ingreso-la-otan-como-socio-global

you cant get any better.. There are some spanish articles also

79 sats \ 1 reply \ @Nuttall 9 Jul

Cool, awesome, thank you for these links.

23 sats \ 0 replies \ @fm 9 Jul

you are welcome

44 sats \ 1 reply \ @TomK OP 9 Jul

Obviously it began in April: https://apnews.com/article/president-milei-argentina-nato-f16s-military-bf56ef4b18646438500c921250c66e93

13 sats \ 0 replies \ @Nuttall 9 Jul

That's not a source, that's the AP which the first link leads to nowhere and it is a gas-lit paragraph:

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (AP) — Argentina formally requested on Thursday to join NATO as a global partner, a status that would clear the way for greater political and security cooperation at a time when the right-wing government of President Javier Milei aims to boost ties with Western powers and attract investment.

There is no source from the government, just a statement from the AP which is a questionable organization that used to be a "legitimate source". Yet there is no, source for the article.

Geoana said he welcomed Argentina’s bid to become an accredited partner in the alliance — a valued role short of “ally” for nations that are not in NATO’s geographical area and not required to take part in collective military actions. NATO membership is currently limited to countries of Europe, Turkey, Canada and the United States.

Where does this come from? What source?