179 sats \ 4 replies \ @supertestnet OP 3 Aug \ parent \ on: New website for tracking robosats stats bitcoin
If the common understanding of DNM is "a place to buy drugs" then the common understanding should be stretched. Just as too many people associate tor with crime, too many people associate DNMs with crime. And just as mainstream companies use tor so their users can browse privately (see the bbc's tor domain and ProPublica), so also, mainstream companies run DNMs so their users can shop privately -- even facebook runs a DNM.
So to those who say "Noooo reeeee it's only a DNM if there's crime there!" I say, no, you're wrong. As the name implies (not to mention pretty much every published definition), what makes it a DNM is if it's a market accessed via the darknet. Robosats obviously qualifies.
So I recommend not spreading the "crime only" definition. It is harmful to privacy because it scares away legitimate users. There's nothing wrong with DNMs. It's just a marketplace that respects your privacy. It's a good thing.
It's not my problem what other people associate it with. I could care less. It's as stupid as associating cash with "a way to buy drugs"
That's just the common understanding of DNMs. I'm not the one who made it that way. Even if we take up your broader definition of DNMs, which I'm not necessarily opposed to because it makes sense, lightning STILL remains largely unused there. Again, don't see how it helps your case but go for it.
The reason why "criminals" using it is important is if it protects those users, the ones working under extremely adversarial markets, then it shows it will protect any average user in practice. Not just in theory, which is all lightning has been so far. It hasn't been stress-tested in those conditions yet. Those markets have completely rejected it. You can speculate why that is, but that is just a fact. Maybe it will change with BOLT12 we'll see.
Yea, BBC and ProPublica have sites on the darknet. How does that make them a DNM? Your point?
"So I recommend not spreading the "crime only" definition. It is harmful to privacy because it scares away legitimate users. There's nothing wrong with DNMs"
And theres nothing wrong with making voluntary transactions either. You can use Monero for whatever you want just like cash. Drugs or boring groceries. That's what makes it digital cash.
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Which exchange sells monero?
Is it all peer to peer?
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Bisq, Haveno, BasicSwapDEX, UnstoppableSwap (all used or can be used through tor)
LocalMonero/AgoraDesk (really popular p2p exchange that had a tor site and recently closed down presumably because the uncertain legal climate around Samourai crackdown)
Monero is delisted from almost every major centralized exchange. The most recent one was Binance earlier this year (largest exchange on the planet by far). Theres only a handful left like Kraken and only in the USA if i remember right.
No I'm sure it's not all p2p, but willing to bet it's disproportionately p2p vs Bitcoin and other crypto because of the above
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I or we need more places to buy drugs, dark net market or otherwise
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