1043 sats \ 21 replies \ @saunter 7 Aug \ on: Who Caused the Ukraine War? BooksAndArticles
This is such a bullshit. There was no real plans or actions for Ukraine to join NATO before 2022
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @drlh 8 Aug
As well as with Sweden and Finland. Russia only got longer borders with NATO after the 2022.
Edit: Putin, not Russia
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22 sats \ 9 replies \ @wingalt 7 Aug
I thought Wikileaks had revealed in 2008 Bush's plan to extend NATO to Georgia and Ukraine which infuriated Moscow ("nyet means nyet") and led to Russian's action in Georgia and their interest in keeping Ukraine neutral which failed in 2014 when Yanukovich had to flee the country after the Maiden coup
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html
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1042 sats \ 4 replies \ @Kytsa 7 Aug
Did Russia invade Ukraine when Ukraine was neutral or when it joined NATO? We know the answer, so keep the downplaying of Russian aggression against an independent country.
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55 sats \ 2 replies \ @Bell_curve OP 7 Aug
Ukraine was not neutral
You can't poke a bear then say the bear started it
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121 sats \ 1 reply \ @Kytsa 7 Aug
Ukraine has been neutral until now. She still hasn't entered anywhere.
The bear roared and screamed drunk long before 2014. What nudge are you talking about?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve OP 8 Aug
I said poke
Poke is more provocative than nudge
The instigator is NATO at this point; I believe Ukraine wants a ceasefire but then the NATO will cut off aid after destroying the country. Zelensky is being coerced and blackmailed by NATO.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve OP 9 Aug
Did you read Wikileaks cable shared by @wingalt?
I love Wikileaks
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve OP 9 Aug
Nyet means nyet makes me laugh every fucking time
Thanks for sharing wikileaks cable, which the anti Russian crowd ( my guess is they are from the Baltic States) refuse to read because they are allergic to truth and fact
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve OP 8 Aug
who is GOR in the wikileaks transcript?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Burns_%28diplomat%29
edit: William J Burns is the current director of CIA
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve OP 8 Aug
never mind
GOR = government of Russia
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve OP 7 Aug
Yes!
2008 Bucharest Summit also
edit: Can't beat primary sources, we are re-living history, 2008!
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve OP 8 Aug
2008 summit in Bucharest
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0 sats \ 8 replies \ @Bell_curve OP 7 Aug
What was Maidan 2014 about if not NATO expansion?
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1042 sats \ 7 replies \ @Kytsa 7 Aug
A revolution against an extremely corrupt government that went against the will of the people.
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0 sats \ 6 replies \ @Bell_curve OP 7 Aug
A color revolution orchestrated by the West
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142 sats \ 2 replies \ @saunter 7 Aug
Yeah that's Russian line which is completely false. Yanukovich left office and was legally, constitutionally voted out of office even by his own party. But you haven't heard about this, am I wrong?
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve OP 7 Aug
You are incorrect
Yanukovich was deposed (coup) not voted out of office. "Legally, constitutionally voted out of office" doesn't happen in Ukraine.
Am I wrong?
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163 sats \ 0 replies \ @saunter 7 Aug
How was it a coup? There was a legal vote in a verhovna rada to impeach him. Learn the history before you judge
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity#Removal_of_Yanukovych
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21 sats \ 2 replies \ @Kytsa 7 Aug
Well if you think. Information and a chronology of events in Ukraine and Russia since 1991 are freely available on the Internet. It is up to everyone how they deal with them. But I would accuse NATO and the West at most of printing money and not arming enough.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve OP 7 Aug
Not arming enough for sure There are 32 members in NATO Only 6 have spent 2 percent of GDP on defense
Zelensky represents the will of the people?
Popular sovereignty does not exist in Ukraine or Russia. Let's get that myth out of the way.
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42 sats \ 0 replies \ @saunter 7 Aug
There were free elections in Ukraine that Zelensky won. Yes there's a lot of corruption but he also was the first in decades to actually lessen it. Meanwhile Russia poisoned Yuschenko in 2004 to maitain their grasp over the country with Yanukovich
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