What Nuland is essentially saying is that if a deal didn't ensure a weakened or limited Russian military, then they were willing to crumple it up and go home, while watching Ukraine go up in flames, which is sadly exactly what has happened.
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273 sats \ 0 replies \ @IamSINGLE 11 Sep
This will be written as another US manipulation on the global stage.
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111 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satosora 11 Sep
Unless the US sees some benefit,they dont want the war to end.
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1064 sats \ 4 replies \ @Cje95 11 Sep
I know this is likely to get me dumped on and called a warmonger when I am not at all. Reading through what Putin wanted in the deal while "peace" would be achieved by knee-capping Ukraine's military I don't think it would have prevented a war. Putin was against Ukraine drifting West with both the EU and NATO. Even if they put in their constitution no to NATO Putin would have gone after them again for joining the EU.
Ukraine had to agree to military limits for the whole country while Russia did not have any constraints even along the Ukrainian border which they should have at a minimum. The rest of Russia can be exempt but along a border where you want peace peace needs to go both ways. Ukraine was being set up to be weakened now and then hit later on by Russia.
This type of diplomacy fails all the time with the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict/war between Armenia and Azerbaijan.
Again I don't want war anywhere the loss of life is senseless along with the environmental damage. No one ever talks about the environmental damage that takes place but when it can you can put it on par with US, India, and China level emissions it is extremely concerning. Sadly, Ukraine wasn't offered a good deal and once Russia was turned back at in their attempt to take Kyiv I am not sure Zelensky could have sold it to the public at home.
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41 sats \ 2 replies \ @drlh 11 Sep
It's more than that. In the draft of the ukrainian peace deal for 2022 not only limiting the army to less than 100 thousand people, and ~300 tanks for ukrainian army, but also the incapacity to send any kind of help, including humanitarian without the acceptance of ALL signers including russia, or through security assembly where russia is a permanent member.
Also don't forget there were garants before, when ukraine handed over the nuclear arms to russia, uk and usa to guarantee security. That aged like fine wine.
Who's truly warmonger is russia and those who affirm ukraine should've accepted that piece of peace.
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @Cje95 11 Sep
Geez... and people wonder why Ukraine doesn't take Russia seriously... I think the West has shown pretty solid restraint with how they started off small and had restrictions but now I only see it being a matter of weeks before long range western missiles start raining down on the airfields in Western Russia and really push them away.
Russia is relying on glide bombs and relentlessly launch them at Ukraine because they arent accurate and Russia doesn't care who they hit. In Kursk though since Ukraine is operating alongside ordinary Russians who were caught off-guard Russia doesn't have the ability to push them out. Take away those bombs and Russia is SOL
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @drlh 11 Sep
By the way, ukraine could fire on kursk atomic plant with drones even before the kursk operation. After I won't be surprised if they could use HIMARS or something. If this isn't a big shit atomic provocation towards a nuclear power then I don't know which is, besides the energetic shortage it will cause if they really would fire.
Red lines of russia have become a brown ones.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 11 Sep
The problem is NATO. Putin doesn’t care about EU unless it’s a pathway to NATO membership.
Ukraine is too poor and corrupt for either. Their membership application should be rejected.
The goal has always been to weaken Russia. Matt Taibbi and Jeffrey Sachs have confirmed this from 1992 to 1998
Ukraine is a former Soviet republic. It has no strategic value except for needling Russia. Ethnically and culturally Ukraine has more in common with Russia than Western Europe.
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64 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 11 Sep
Truly sad what has been done to the people of Ukraine by evil people with no skin in the game.
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43 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 11 Sep
I knew it
Confirms what I heard and suspected for 2 years
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @stack_harder 11 Sep
yeah and what exactly was the deal being offered?
putin gets away with everything, carves up half of Ukraine, then super pinky promises never to attack again?
ffs , Putin is the biggest lying piece of shit there is. he started the largest ground war since ww2 and everyone is supposed to be cool with appeasing him?
then what will he decide to do next?
the reason this whole situation even developed is because he has only ever received a slap on the wrists for his bullshit, from Georgia to Crimea, to killing people all over london.
putin should have been sanctioned into the stratosphere after he annexed Crimea, instead it was his crowning moment
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @inverselarp 11 Sep
Lol, so you didn’t listen to the interview and rather rely on a synthesis by a nut-head.
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