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SN release: biggest boost wins, 70% of fees to territory founders, 30% sybil fee

2238 sats \ 10k boost \ 65 comments \ @k00b 19 Sep meta

This is a pretty experimental release.

boost changes

the highest boost in a territory over the last 30 days is pinned to the top of it
the highest boost across all territories is pinned to the top of the homepage and rewards page
all items can be boosted indefinitely
- your own posts and comments now have a flipped bolt (distinguishing them from other posts), allowing you to boost them beyond the edit window
the job board is now ranked by boost
- territories with an "auction" ranking system (only ~jobs can do this currently), use boost to rank posts in hot

The hope in general is this serves as a significant revenue source for territory founders.

70% of fees go to territory founders

Previously, founders got 50% of fees in their territories with the other 50% going to the rewards pool. Now, they get 70% of the fees (posts, comments, boost, zap sybil fees) and 30% goes to the rewards pool.

30% sybil fee is taken on zaps

Previously, we took 10% of zaps for ranking sybil resistance. This is insufficient for real sybil resistance. People still sybil zap their own subpar content at 10% so we've increased this to 30%. 10% isn't a whole lot for the outbound route for p2p zaps either.

As always, that sybil fee that's left over from the territory founders revenue goes to rewards.

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254 sats \ 5 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 19 Sep

That flipped bolt is such an eyesore! I loved how easy it was to find my posts with the empty space. Why not just use a B for boost? It would look so much better. Just a thought.

121 sats \ 0 replies \ @Scoresby 20 Sep

I have to agree. I'll enjoy it as it is for a while to see if my eyes adjust, but at the moment it feels confusing because it isn't different enough.

43 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b OP 19 Sep

You might be right. We'll let breathe for a bit. ek wanted to use this (to save him from scorn):

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 19 Sep

:) looks nice!

39 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 19 Sep

I agree with you. It's eye catching in the wrong way.

24 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 19 Sep

There was some discussion in the PR about this

382 sats \ 28 replies \ @ek 19 Sep

Example Breakdown of Zaps

100 sat zaps before: 90 sats to receiver (10% sybil fee) + 5 sats (50% territory revenue) + 5 sats (50% rewards)

100 sat zaps now: 70 sats to receiver (30% sybil fee) + 21 sats (70% territory revenue) + 9 sats (30% rewards)

242 sats \ 19 replies \ @Undisciplined 19 Sep

Getting zapped is nerfed, while rewards are powered up.

I'm excited to see how it plays out. That 30% cut is probably going to make it so we stop using zaps for our various pools, which is a little disappointing.

150 sats \ 0 replies \ @Coinsreporter 19 Sep

Yes, that's a valid point. Maybe the president doesn't like pools.

53 sats \ 6 replies \ @Turdinthepunchbowl 19 Sep

Yeah, for the survivor pools and such that's gonna be interesting. I've added 2k to 5k sats to pools I don't even particularly take part of. What's a work around do you think for the pools and such, which I think are one of the aspects of the community I enjoy the most!

42 sats \ 5 replies \ @Undisciplined 19 Sep

We'll just have to do lightning invoices and then trust whoever's running the pool to do the accounting honestly.

61 sats \ 4 replies \ @Turdinthepunchbowl 19 Sep

I agree but also hate that "trust" haha. The NFL Survivor pool is like 350k sats.

59 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 19 Sep

We can start using ecash for these pools, so at least the rug pull will be indiscriminate 👀

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined 19 Sep

Either way we're trusting the person to actually pay out. The only real difference would be a lack of transparency about how large the pool is.

27 sats \ 1 reply \ @Turdinthepunchbowl 20 Sep

True true. I suppose I had wishful thinking, but I also trust GrayRuby as he has incentives by owning the sports territory. Uneducated question, would DLCs or Cashu/Fedi mints be a solution in the future for something like a trust less pool? I'm not too familiar with either however.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 20 Sep

No idea. I think reputation can handle this for the foreseeable future.

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34 sats \ 9 replies \ @ek 19 Sep

We'd need a zap that doesn't affect ranking so people can pay each other with zaps as if you would when using their lightning address.

1273 sats \ 7 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 19 Sep

A zap button on our profile solves that.

160 sats \ 6 replies \ @ek 19 Sep

👀

Maybe we need to overhaul the lightning address button in every profile. It currently only shows a QR code on press so you can pay using LNURL. It should give more options.

109 sats \ 5 replies \ @mo 20h

Having more options in that button will be cool:

copy address
copy LNurl
zap ⚡️
QR code
what else?

35 sats \ 4 replies \ @ek 20h

send a message using the lightning address

22 sats \ 3 replies \ @mo 20h

Yessss… DM on SN need a pump up too! A way to make it easier and more intuitive to send messages over lightning

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48 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 19 Sep

Yes. I think that's important.

46 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby 19 Sep

Yeah. 30% cut on 10k buy in is a bit too much. We will just find another way.

52 sats \ 0 replies \ @Carresan 19 Sep

Thanks for the explanation as this will affect how I arrange pool prizes.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @WeAreAllSatoshi 19 Sep

Thank you for this, it’s very helpful

43 sats \ 4 replies \ @ek 19 Sep

Btw, just realized this is a 420% increase in revenue for founders, lol (21/5 = 4.2)

edit: damn math, 4.2 means it's an increase by 320%, not 420% (1.0 would mean no increase)

131 sats \ 3 replies \ @Undisciplined 19 Sep

It's 420% of the previous income share, though. English to the rescue, where math failed.

53 sats \ 2 replies \ @ek 19 Sep

you're streets ahead

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 19 Sep

Great phrase: "Streets ahead" is verbal wildfire!

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 19h

Pierce Hawthorne

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 19h

I would go even further: 50-60 sats to OP and the rest distributed.

74 sats \ 7 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 18h

Bolt's animation (zap undo) doesn't work. \cc @ek

48 sats \ 6 replies \ @ek 17h

mhh, works for me even with triggering a zap undo

49 sats \ 5 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 17h

zap undo works but the animation doesn't. (google chrome)

131 sats \ 4 replies \ @ek 17h

mhh, I was able to catch the bug once in the beginning:

edit: maybe it's related to custodial sats as @WeAreAllSatoshi mentioned in #692268

101 sats \ 3 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 17h

I tried it and the animation works if the item already has a zap from me, otherwise it doesn't work.

122 sats \ 2 replies \ @WeAreAllSatoshi 14h

It happens to me every time on an item I haven’t zapped

Edit: it seems to work when zapping an item I’ve already zapped

131 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 14h

I fixed the bug, will soon release

14 sats \ 0 replies \ @WeAreAllSatoshi 14h

Thank you!

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61 sats \ 1 reply \ @WeAreAllSatoshi 19 Sep

Did we recently lose the pulsing zap icon for cancelable custodial zaps?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 17h

no, not to my knowledge and experience

edit: mhhh, I think I see what you mean, it doesn't show up sometimes

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @BTCLNAT 19 Sep

Every change generates different criteria. Every platform must evolve in its actions.

For me, SN is a PoW platform with added rewards. I always, and I say always, come out well rewarded, every day, even if I haven't stacked so many SATs, which in my opinion, MINE, are not few. But I always come out with knowledge. So if the work team understands that these changes will improve the platform in some way, then welcome. From the whole explanation I understood that before what was sent to a stacker, 10% was discounted and now it is 30%, if that is going to allow the platform to improve and last. My applause.

10 sats \ 2 replies \ @Coinsreporter 19 Sep

While I like the breakdown of zaps, I feel the zap amount is going to be lowered.

And what if Stackers keep on zapping their subpar content even after it; which imo they can.

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b OP 19 Sep

They'll pay everyone else with good content more than they were before.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Coinsreporter 19 Sep

Let's see how it goes, I've mixed feelings. But, it's definitely a good move for territory owners. Out of 100, 21 goes to them. How I see it they they only require an 15000 Sats zap daily on the territory to maintain it. Territories are gonna be in profit for sure.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @b73dba08c0 10h

The new 'Boost' symbol is useful for post visibility, but couldn't it be made more visually appealing? For instance, using a simple 'B' could make the design clearer while maintaining functionality. Previously, the empty space made it easier to navigate and find posts. How could the user experience be improved without losing efficiency? Thanks for taking the time to read and consider these suggestions for a better interface!

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b OP 10h

Shipping a change now.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @DarthCoin 18h

The boost can be applied to comments too?

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b OP 10h

yes sir!

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 10h

OMG this is so fucking awesome! I can even boost a post / comment even that is not mine!

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 19h

I like it. Make them pay.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @kruw 20 Sep

Interesting. This could create a bidding war situation.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b OP 20 Sep

Kinda the point ;)

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @bitalion 20 Sep

your own posts and comments now have a flipped bolt (distinguishing them from other posts), allowing you to boost them beyond the edit window

Very interesting, sometimes I get lost in the thread of the conversation, being able to identify what I wrote about others is appreciated.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TheWildHustle 19 Sep

your own posts and comments now have a flipped bolt (distinguishing them from other posts), allowing you to boost them beyond the edit window

This.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @WeAreAllSatoshi 19 Sep

This backwards bolt confused the shit out of me lol

37 sats \ 1 reply \ @south_korea_ln 19 Sep

Looks a bit like the Waffen SS jolt...

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 19 Sep

Also, and suspiciously, the ~Stacker_Sports logo. How much do we really know about this @grayruby character?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Carresan 19 Sep

Following your post , I have searched and I have learnt what a Sybil attack is and Sybil resistance means. If this is what it is needed, fair enough, I hope it helps.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @BlokchainB 19 Sep

Sheesh I’m so out of it

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @AJ1992 23h

30% now? @k00b youre getting greedy now...