21.3k sats \ 27 replies \ @petertodd 13h \ on: Peter Todd - warmonger shill! bitcoin
Ah yes, I'm a warmonger for... not wanting myself and friends of mine to be murdered by Russian invaders?
People I personally know had their homes taken during the initial stages of the invasion. Russian forces looted their homes, taking everything of value. Many of the people who didn't flee in time were simply murdered - a common way to die was to have Russians throw grenades into your basement window. And for that matter, lots of the women and girls who didn't flee in time were raped.
How did those people I personally know get their homes back? Not through diplomacy or negotiations or dialog. They got their homes back because Ukrainian society organized a defense, and killed those Russians in large enough numbers that they abandoned those parts of Ukraine, and went back to the border. Unfortunately not every home - I also know people whose homes are still in occupied territory. But in time, this theft of land and resources can be entirely reversed.
It's not "warmongering" to defend yourself. It's no "warmongering" to help other's defend themselves. What is warmongering, indirectly, is to try to stop others from being able to defend themselves. You, @DarthCoin, are warmongering by the fact that you are setting up conditions where future, genuine, warmongerers like Russia will be able to profitably repeat wars against defenseless targets.
When you get down to it, what Russia is doing is ultimately the same as common thieves and murderers. Russia is invading land, and killing and subjugating the population, and stealing their property and resources. Any sane, intelligent, person supports the use of violence to stop murder and theft. You are not such a person.
May I point out that you can support Ukraine's right to defend itself without simping for warmongering politicians using the plight of Ukrainian people for a photo op.
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"warmongering politicians"
Is Zelenskyy a warmongering politician for organizing a defense against an invasion? He could have easily fled Ukraine. But he didn't. He stayed behind while Russian bombs were raining down on Kyiv, attempting to kill him personally, to organize the defense that successfully pushed Russian forces back to the border around Kyiv.
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Not sure, maybe he is just a puppet of the warmongers. I would certainly argue he is a grifter. He seems perfectly content to let this war draw out and have the billions of OPM keep rolling in. Why?
I think you are way overestimating the nobility of these politician's intentions.
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"content to let this war draw out"?
What do you expect him to do? Ukraine has tried to negotiate a peace with Russia before, multiple times, and Russia has broken the agreements repeatedly. It's obvious why Russia is invading Ukraine: they've stolen trillions of dollars of resources, and even now, there's still a chance they could get away with it.
War is always going to exist as long as invading your neighbor and stealing their stuff is profitable. Ukraine has lots of stuff to steal.
Arguing against defense is ultimately no different than arguing to defund the police. Either way you're arguing that victims shouldn't have any way to defend themselves from evil.
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So your position is if Europe and US stopped funding this proxy war that there would not be a negotiated peace and instead Russian would just roll through Ukraine and steal all their resources?
That's one way of looking at it. I am skeptical but I respect your right to have an opinion. I respect your right to fund whoever and whatever projects you want for whatever reasons and if you want to simp for politicians that's on you but in my opinion it's a bad look.
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"Funding this proxy war"
Good riddance man... The initial invasion in 2014 wasn't funded by the US or EU. Quite the opposite: Ukraine got fuck all help and had to fund their own defense all by themselves. It was only the truly heroic efforts of the Ukrainian military that managed to pause the invasion for a few more years.
Russia invaded precisely because this wasn't a proxy fight.
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We aren't living in 2014 Peter. This is most definitely a proxy war. Whether it started that way or not doesn't change that fact.
You have made your point. You have said "good riddance". So let's just end this discussion cordially. I am sure we both have better things to do.
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"We aren't living in 2014"
The war has been continuous since 2014. The entire time Russia has been pushing to invade more territory, with continuous fighting every single day.
If your argument is that it is now a "proxy war" simply because other countries decided to help Ukraine, you're arguing that no-one deserves to be helped with a defense.
Is it a "proxy war" if the police show up after you report that a gang is trying to invade your home? Is it a "proxy war" if I give a woman cash to buy a gun after someone attempts to rape her?
So let's just end this discussion cordially.
Never be nice with warmongers...
As you know, I survived 20 years of communist regime, with a lot of of influence from USSR (soviet union) but I never let the guard down.
What is doing Per now is exactly the same tactics were doing the communist propaganda in those days, They just want to play with words and your mind.
NEVER LET THEM WIN. THEY ARE MASTERS IN DECEIVING.
Where have you been 10years ago after the bloody western revolution and the start of the bombing? Do you know how many of its own people this facist regime killed in so may years. Do you really think the war started with the russian intervention a year ago?
Do you know that bandera is a hero in ukraine now? Do you know that putin would get more votes than zelensky if all people in ukraine would be able to vote right now. Nobody would vote for this clown again, so there will be no voting.
It is overdue since 03.2024 so it is officially a regime.
Supporting ukraine means supporting war and laundering money.
Do you really think it was a russian plan to attack ukraine? Or maybe it is a old american wet dream that slavic people kill each other. Think twice and support no side because it is not your fucking problem.
Funfact: the most people hating putin and russia are on the side of israel. How ist this possible?
Brainwashed by the zionist western media?
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Keep you values apart from any wars... all wars are banksters wars.
Oh you can't do that because you are a war shill?
Fine, but you LOST all the credit as being a bitcoiner.
Bitcoiners are a-political and do not take sides.
YOU LOSE.
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Being apolitical doesn't give you rocket protection. Bullet flying in your direction doesn't give a fuck about you being apolitical.
You cannot unsubscribe from power projection game.
Just stop with this idiotic bullshit.
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sorry I do not speak with shitcoiners...
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all wars are banksters wars.
So tell me, what happens to the people defending themselves from an aggressor if they can't defend themselves?
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Like palestine for example? Or the donbass region against the bombing in 2014? Or like the leftists that got burned alive in the start of this revolution in odessa?
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