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0 sats \ 6 replies \ @jgbtc 25 Oct \ parent \ on: Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers tech
The reason you bought the propaganda is that feeling of moral superiority you have on full display currently. It's especially appealing to petty tyrants. Weak people who would never otherwise wield any power or influence can speak of "misinformation" with such confidence. You fell for propaganda, that doesn't make you some omniscient god. It makes you an obedient guinea pig.
The vax didn't kill more than covid, Nobody claimed it did. But it also wasn't all that they said it was. It does not prevent covid, it does not prevent transmission. They said it was 100% effective, then 90, 70, 50... Then it stopped the spread then it didn't. The only misinformation came from government and "public health" officials. They lied, and they got paid. Based on their lies they justified firing people, censorship, lock down, shutting down small businesses, and every evil authoritarian ritual they forced kids to go through at school. And you're defending that. You disgust me.
There was a lot of confusion and fear and the truth is it was a rapidly evolving situation that was a nightmare for any government to deal with in the modern day context of everyone having access to internet communication and many people wishing to vent personal frustrations through current affairs.
Nearly all 'liberal western democratic' governments that were in power under the Covid time were afterwards thrown out of power- imo in large part to the stress and anxiety that it involved- people want to move in from and- I do too - but when I hear people making demonstrably false claims about Covid I will challenge them.
You now admit the vaccine did not kill more than it protected- good.
I will admit it was a challenging time for everyone, but let's try to move on from the scaremongering and misinformation.
The vaccines saved millions of lives- governments sometimes went too far- IMO nobody should be forced to accept a vaccine (or any medical treatment) against their will.
Lets now learn from history and stop the extreme claims and misrepresentations that were so rabid during the pandemic.
Because there is every chance there may be another one within our lifetimes- the world is so 'connected' new viruses can spread quickly and what will be needed to deal with it will be calm and careful responses- not hysteria and overt misinformation.
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Please quote where anyone said the vax killed more than covid in this thread. You've made that accusation a few times but It was never claimed. So what victory are you celebrating here exactly, defeating a straw man?
Here's a claim: The vax, and the government/big pharma collision, corruption, and mismanagement of the entire debacle did more harm than covid. Can you admit that? We are only just beginning to see the destruction they caused: economic, impaired child development, social fabric, and yes, harmful vax side effects that were never honestly disclosed. You couldn't talk about that without ridicule as an "anti-vaxxer" before getting censored (or "deplatformed" as it's euphemistically called) even if speaking the truth. It will take a century to recover. Not from covid, that's already happened, but from the absolutely terrible response to covid, and the mass hysteria, fueled by intense propaganda, that resulted
You're a perfect example of someone whose mind was successfully broken. You are the product. A faithful, unquestioning foot soldier for authoritarianism, who feels fully justified when righteously parroting whatever the government tells you on the news.
I will not "move on" as long as people like you exist because I know you will be happy to comply with the next government manufactured emergency, and will be a willing participant in another authoritarian orgy like was had these last few years, and still continues.
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Well, I would make that claim. The death jabs did kill more than covid. Look at the excess mortality. It isn't there for 2020. It is there after the jab rollout (2021+). With all the retracted bogus studies during the plandemic, we know that the journals can't be trusted. We even saw this recently :
https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/fraud-so-much-fraud
So the only thing that is harder to fake is the excess mortality.
As for the numbers, look at how they calculated them. In some countries, a vaccinated person was a person that had been vaccinated for 14+ days. So if you take the death jab and drop dead right away on live TV (aka die suddenly or suffer a coincidentis), you're a disgusting anti-vaxxer. People dying in motorcycle accidents were being counted as covid cases, if they tested positive with a PCR test cycle threshold of 40 sometimes even 45! At that threshold, almost anything will test positive. And dying with covid is not dying of covid. Yet, that's how many of the cases were being counted.
People also died because of hospital protocols that would not let the doctors and nurses actually help the patients, instead putting them on bygone era failed drugs like remdesivir or destroying their lungs with ventilators. Yet, those were counted as covid deaths. Many people died of pneumonia (where the bacteria use the vulnerability induced by covid) because the protocols denied the use of antibiotics. Meanwhile, things that actually work like HCQ, vitamin D, ivermectin were slandered.
At the end of the day, trust your eyes, trust your experience. Do people around you die of covid? Do they die from the death jabs with myocarditis, turbo cancers, blood clots? Do they take boosters? To paraphrase Lincoln while adding the word "almost" : You can fool some of the people all of the time, and (almost) all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.
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Well said. I stand corrected on the vax causing more death than covid. They cooked the numbers at every turn, so this evidence that keeps being demanded doesn't exist by design. And it will continue to cause many more deaths in the future as people succumb to cancer. Sadly, cancer suddenly became quite common in my extended family. Only the jabbed up ones of course.
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You have not provided any credible evidence that Covid vaccines caused more deaths than they prevented.
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How can I be sure the evidence you're asking for wasn't censored? What I do know is governments colluded with big tech to censor what it deemed misinformation, including truthful information it didn't approve of. So that leaves me in a situation where I can't trust these authorities. Im not happy about this. I'd much rather have sources I trust that provide quality evidence, but they blew any chance of that the moment they began censorship.
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