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43 sats \ 21 replies \ @grayruby 3 Dec \ on: Quick Advice Regarding Merchant Accepting BTC and LN Payments? bitcoin
Is that existing customer you?
@BTCsessions would probably be the man to talk to. Or just peruse his videos.
Probably BTC Payserver. I think block allows merchants to accept Bitcoin as well.
No. I have nothing to do with his business anymore. I used to be general counsel years ago. No, these are big international customers. One from the UAE has been asking him to accept bitcoin for years, but he refused.
He's going with Zaprite. He already has his web guys setting up the plugins. One business deals with large transactions, so it will be only on chain. He has a second, retail site where he will use lightning.
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One business deals with large transactions
Then Zaprite with onchain is a good start.
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@DartCoin, zaprite support isn't helping much with LN. Can you tell me an easy way to set him up on my node with Alby Hub? He would need his own LN address, so I guess I need to get him a LN wallet that can generate a lightning address and allows NWC connection, right?
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Please ask him these questions, to clear up for him and for us, what solution is best for now:
- he wants just to test for a while the bitcoin payments?
- he wants to have a long term solution ?
- he wants to have a custodial solution, temporary or long term? (keep in mind that custodial remove the hurdle of liquidity)
- he wants full self-custodial ?
- he wants full self-custodial but not the own LN node?
- he wants full self-custodial with his own LN node ?
For example as I described in the guide I've sent you, the solution I see it for him is IbexPay. Just to start fast and have a professional dashboard and also connect his e-shop with Woo. Also Opago, is a LNbits in the background, so could offer access to a Woo plugin.
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he wants just to test for a while the bitcoin payments?
For now, yes.
he wants to have a long term solution ?
Yes
he wants to have a custodial solution, temporary or long term? (keep in mind that custodial remove the hurdle of liquidity)
He is okay with custodial for lightning. He will be transferring his sats to his own wallet quickly and the LN payments will be at most $200 US.
On chain, he wants self custody direct to a cold wallet. The payments will be large.
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Ok then the fastest integration, also with woocommerce plugin ready, is:
- opennode - serious payment processor
- ibexpay - serious payment processor
- opago pay
- swiss bitcoin pay
- coingate
- Voltz (is quite new, but is a full lnbits ready, so for testing is ok)
Once you have an account with one of these, easily charge onchain/LN on Woocommerce and then withdraw into own cold storage.
Later, with patience can setup his own self-custodial thing, BTCpay or full LNbits server.
This is what I will do, if I would have a big business like that.
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Very good. I'm meeting with him tomorrow. He doesn't want to worry about LN liquidity until he really gets his feet wet. It makes sense.
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Do you have suggestions about the best way to integrate his Alby go wallet (sub account to my hub) to his web site? Zaprite doesn't seem to have an easy answer.
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You can do it with LNbits Woocommerce plugin and use the LNDhub details generated from your Alby Hub for that account.
https://github.com/lnbits/woocommerce-payment-gateway
But you need to have your node exposed to clearnet https, otherwise will not gonna work.
The WP + Woo must communicate with your node through clearnet with SSL certificate, is not working through direct IP or Tor.
Here is a working LNbits if you want to test too https://lnvoltz.com/
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Okay. Thanks. We're meeting later.
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OK, look, for TESTING purposes, I suggest you to do with him this scenario. Is very easy and quick.
Use any of these LNbits public instances, to create a demo account:
Or create a free account on nodana.io and spin up your own LNbits instance, using your LN node as funding source
Or install LNbits on your own node machine and link it to your node, but you will need to expose it to clearnet with SSL certificate.
Once you have a LNbits account (it doesn't matter on which instance):
- when you open first time the wallet on the right side panel you have the API keys drop-down. Just follow the instructions from LNbits Woocommerce plugin and link the e-shop with the LNbits instance.
- you will see that also you can add a "watch-only" wallet ID (only for onchain payments). To get that, go to LNbits instance and activate the "Onchain wallet" extension. In that extension, insert whatever XPUB from a BTC wallet you want to use for received onchain payments. Then copy the walletID and put it into LNbits Woocommerce plugin settings.
- go to LNbits instance and activate the extension "SatsPay" server. This is necessary to be able to charge payments, generating invoices in the cart using LN or onchain. No need to create any "charge", is enough to be installed. Create charges with specific amount only if you need to test payments.
- activate the "Pay Links" extension, to be able to create LNURL-pay and LN Address.
- activate the "Scrub" extension if you want to automatically withdraw the funds to an external address.
And done, now you can start testing payments directly in that e-shop.
If you need more help, I am here, anytime.
Yes. I was using this article. I need to find an NWC lightning app with a lightning address that I can connect to the Friends And Family App.
Now he's trying coinos, but his web guys cant seem to connect it to the woo app?
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Alby Go works perfectly fine with any NWC connection.
Now he's trying coinos, but his web guys cant seem to connect it to the woo app?
Coinos do not have plugin for woo, unfortunately.
What you can do is offer your LN node as funding source (until they figure it out with their own) and they can spin up a LNbits on any PC or a VPS and connect to your node. You can bake a dedicated macaroon only for that account so will not use all your node access and you can separate it from your own access.
With that access they configure the LNbits and they waill have a full solution at hand, woocommerce and all other things they need, inclusive LN address etc.
For LNbits you can use also the lndhub connection as funding source. That is more elegant than macaroons because they will have access only to THEIR funds cut not all the node liquidity.
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Okay. He wants the friends and family sub account. I had him download Alby Go. Then he said he got stuck. Does he need an account first?
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You need to provide him the NWC from your alby hub, you create that for each user and they just have to scan the QR or paste the NWC address. Done.
OK later I will update my alby guide, with more instructions to connect alby go and create sub-accounts etc. I think they have also some instructions on their manual page
https://guides.getalby.com/user-guide/alby-account-and-browser-extension/alby-go/get-alby-mobile-app