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36 sats \ 26 replies \ @DarthCoin 4 Dec \ on: New On-Chain Wallet Release bitcoin
Nice meme! LOL you don't even bother to rotate the text hahahaha
For me 12 words are the same secure as 24.
btw In one of my guides I put (just) 12 words from a wallet with 1BTC. Good luck finding them !
Nice meme! LOL you don't even bother to rotate the text hahahaha
Thanks!
For me 12 words are the same secure as 24. btw In one of my guides I put (just) 12 words from a wallet with 1BTC. Good luck finding them !
I was hoping you'd chime in. I definitely want people that are way down the rabbit hole looking at this. With this setup, I'm thinking folks will basically be able to have a 12 word wallet, but it has, more or less, an ADDITIONAL passphrase because it has this one word added to it over and over again in the form of a 24 word wallet.
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I am still trying to find out why aezeed seed have 24 words.
Can you explain me a bit the 2 choices you put in the poll? Still trying to figure it out which one to choose, are quite confusing.
It is an interesting post anyways.
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Yeah, this is hard to explain, but I really think I’m onto something here that has a specific use case to travel or just really physically insecure situations.
I’m proposing that the user makes a 12 word phrase but then recreates it in a 24 word context with one word they intentionally pick filling in the rest of the places. Now they can carry a paper wallet with the 12 word phrase. Of course, they don’t want to expose this, but if they do, the border guard opens it up and finds a decoy wallet. Meanwhile, they get to their destination and only need to have remembered the one word that they combine with the 12 word phrase to generate the real 24 word keys.
My fear is that the 24 word wallet isn’t actually as random as I’d guess because about half of it wasn’t generated randomly, but rather made in a way similar to the “bacon” wallet.
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You start with 128 bits of entropy from the 12 words, which is the standard for a 12-word BIP39 seed phrase. A 24-word seed phrase typically has 256 bits of entropy. While your approach wouldn’t lower the entropy of the original 12 words below 128 bits, the repetitive pattern you’re adding reduces the overall entropy significantly below 256 bits. The security of your 24-word phrase is closer to that of the original 12-word seed, with added complexity but no significant increase in actual randomness.
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This is great! This is honestly the kind of confirmation I was hoping for. I knew it wouldn’t have as much entropy as the 24 word phrase, but 128 ain’t no joke, as I understand it. I was just thinking there may have been some element that I hadn’t thought of.
But I have a simple question:
Why do so much trouble with keys inside other keys, just to give to a dumb border guard a decoy wallet or even give them a reason to search, when you could just send a nice email letter to your mom, inserting just the fucking 12 words into a 1000 words letter text and ONLY you know the real position of the words for your seed?
So you cross a border with empty pockets and fuck'em'all...
I did such thing a s test in 2016. In an airport. Just me with nothing on me. They asked me: sir, did you declare something else?"
I said: "yes I carry 12 millions fiat coins with me, is that a problem?" I said "fiatcoins" just to fuck around with them, thinking that I carry a shitload of money...
They were definitely nervous because I had nothing on me. Seeing them in a complicated situation, I told them: all is in my head...
Then I just walked away.
Later I stick this nice BTC sticker on their billboards... just to fuck around more.
When I see people carrying with them obvious HW that even the dumbest airport guard knows what is it, I just laugh. Carry nothing, give them nothing. Be smart and use smart ways to hide your stash.
Even the shitiest USB stick can carry an encrypted seed.
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So yeah, that was a brilliant tactic. I just want to compile as many ideas as possible like this so folks have options when they end up in these type of situations. I liked how my idea was a little simpler than the border wallet, but this is simpler still. You obviously just want to make sure the email is preserved! Haha
Now I’m even more curious where you are from and now live. Obviously will probably never learnt that though.
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Imagine you are at the airport with a bunch of images on your phone. Each image is a wallet with a steganographied seed inside....
Absolutely nobody will have the idea that each picture could have 100 BTC inside.
Cats pictures, or with you and your family at the beach.
Fuck'em.
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Hey, you were always on me about publishing my address.
And you go put it in your guide lol
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12 words seed is NOT a public address LOL !
I put 12 words from a seed in plain sight but people cannot see it because are too blind.
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People still havent figured it out and taken the bitcoin?
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people don't even read those guides and don't know how to use a LN wallet and you want them to find 12 words?
Here... another example, please take the 1BTC (if you can)
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If I download the image from here, it gives me an
avif image. Is this the original or is there any chance things would get lost in compression (metadata, layers, etc)?reply
Yes, using steganography, you must keep the original file. Once you make a copy or share it online it get compressed and altered, the steganography inside is gone.
I post it just as an example so people will dig more into this easy solution. But yes, indeed, you must be careful with the original file and have also copies of that seed in another places, do not rely only on that file.
Imagine having a digital picture frame on your desk, with some nice images with your family. Those could contain each one a wallet seed, for example. And nobody will know it.
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Dude! Holy shit. Maybe not all of us can unmask steganography, but there are some pretty savvy stackers here. I hope you don’t really have a Bitcoin imbedded in that pic in a way that can be decoded by humans.
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It is real. No joke.
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I even put signs and people still don't get it...
This "treasure" is there under that rock for 8 years... nobody touch it. I go there to check it and after 8 fucking years is still there. UNBELIEVABLE ! They just have to grab the QR code and scan it.
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This odd alter-type thing exists maybe 1000 ft halfway up a hill in the forest that I go hiking in a few times a week. People leave all sorts of stuff on it. I’ve actually seen a few Darth Vader toys there. Anyway, I’ve thought about leaving a seed phrase there multiple times, but I was only going to put like 30,000 sats in my hidden treasure.