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Looking at the mempool, while things have 'cooled down' from a year ago (December of '23) why are people still ****coining with BRC-20s and inscriptions?
Noone, and I mean noone, believes that inscriptions, runes, and BRC-20s have long-term value. They are a greater fool's game and short-term gambling tokens at absolute best. No different from memecoins on Solana and anywhere else and yet...
The number 1 payer of high fees on the Bitcoin network is runes (op_return) and inscription (BRC-20 JSON) gamblers. They are happy to pay 20, 30, even 40% of a transaction in fees if not more. While most Bitcoiners don't want to pay 'high fees' for monetary transactions any more than absolutely necessary... the gambling/runes/BRC people seem to just not care.
50$, 100$, 200$ for a transaction to literally send... 50 Cents worth of Bitcoin (that's dust due to the UTXO size) and that's "ok". I mean HOW CRAZY is that???
And yet... these amounts, these fees, would be outrageous, uneconomical and far too high for all but the largest transaction sizes for most Bitcoiners.
I guess what I'm getting at is that ****coiners and gamblers with Runes and Inscriptions (BRC tokens in particular) are still here, they feed off of exchange-rate speculation of actual Bitcoin and they care nothing about Bitcoin itself. They are still wasting very large amounts in fees to create and market... absolutely nothing (memecoins) and in the process output many many small UTXOs that are economically unspendable.
Bitcoiners don't want to pay high fees, and we expect that other people won't either. And yet... the memecoin people have absolutely no qualms or reservations about doing so, even today (although fees have cooled somewhat since a year ago).
In summary, I am off the belief that the "free market" will determine the best use case for blockspace and that a monetary designation is by-far the most compelling, efficient, and sustainable long-term. It is the only thing that 'makes sense' and is 'sound'. Anyone saying that NFTs are 'here to stay'... is an idiot or a scammer or both.
Perhaps people's brains are just built different... however it seems non-nonsensical to me to waste money earned from hard work on garbage, gambling, jpegs, and meme-tokens it's just dumb and doesn't make any sense. The risk-reward calculation is absolutely piss-poor and overwhelmingly to the negative in every way.
Any yet... people are still doing it, without any reservations with regard to paying lots in fees just to play casino. It doesn't make any sense and I though it would stop by now, although I absolutely think it's unsustainable long-term.
Users of Bitcoin must have a much higher appetite for fee-paying than imagined... but it still surprises me how much people are willing to pay just to create thousands of dust outputs that no-one really wants.
It's crazy.
Thank you. What are your thoughts on this?
there's just a large amount of people who readily engage in self-destructive, illogical activities, shit coining, leverage trading, paying for shit jpegs - maybe some are dumb, some are gamblers and who knows about the rest.
it's the financial equivalent of simping, on par with investing in hawk tua coin.
I've come to think about it as some kind of cosmic balance, a type of food chain where, for whatever reason, there will always be a fresh supply of retarded people doing stupid shit, and the cycle never ends.
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"there's just a large amount of people who readily engage in self-destructive, illogical activities, shit coining, leverage trading, paying for shit jpegs - maybe some are dumb, some are gamblers and who knows about the rest."
They will not get rich they will get rekt.
Hawk tua coin is not 'investing' it's going to the casino to play the 'slots'... and even then it's completely unregulated.
Someone somewhere knows the 'odds' at the slot machines and how they work and how they're 'supposed to work'...
Hawk Tua coin is not crypto it has nothing to do with cryptography and decentralization. It's a centralized gambling coin that (to quote J Song) could run on a 500$ website somewhere that "looks" like crypto... but has nothing to do with it. It's a gambling website to 'bet' on the names of things and create 'microbubbles' with completely centralized, fraudulent people behind the scenes. It is all bad there are zero redeeming qualities to memecoins.
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3 sats \ 0 replies \ @Ge 9 Dec
greed they have a high time preference want it now blah blah blah all the same things we've heard tbh just uneducated into what money and currency is also underversed in what real value is... In the world we live in now everyone thinks they know money so they dismiss everything that's going on monetarily in the world...so rather just gamble since this is the only other way...look at so n so doing it...also crypto skews alot of the truth bitcoin brings also bringing others into the shitcoin casino fueling that loser machine even more.
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It's the beauty of Bitcoin, it's permission-less and you can't prevent others to use it the way they want if they're ready to pay the fees.
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Yes Bitcoin is permissionless but a soft fork like Taproot is not Bitcoin. It is a soft fork.
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5 sats \ 2 replies \ @ama 9 Dec
You don't know neither what a soft fork nor what taproot are, do you?
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Taproot is a soft fork of Bitcoin.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ama 9 Dec
Therefore BTC in taproot addresses is BTC.
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unpopular but truthful.
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It doesn't make any sense though.
Why buy... nfts that look like a 6-year-old scribbled with Microsoft Paint offhand? What's the appeal? Where's the sovereignty and decentralization?
And aren't the people involved with this constantly losing money either 1) making them or 2) buying them, trading real bitcoin for a 3rd-party database tracking op_return outputs?
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can lead a horse to water, something like that.
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true, but they have to run out of money eventually
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @ama 9 Dec
Assuming they don't make any with the assets they create.
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That's like saying 'assuming they don't make money playing the roulette table at the casino'
That's beside the point. If there was any money to be made, ethically, predictably, with casino games they would not exist. Casino games and casinos in general do not exist to 'make people money' playing the games.
They exist to siphon funds away from impatient idiots... and send them direct to the people who market and set the games up. The CASINOS.
At least casinos are regulated. 'Crypto' isn't and in my opinion should be kicked out of the United States.
(Bitcoin /= Crypto by all common definitions and does not fall under this at all)
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Car 9 Dec
💩coin vc’s support these type of 💩coin projects. This is why you should be supporting Bitcoin only companies by purchasing something from them.
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I do and I have. Bitcoin is the innovation. Bitcoin is the money, Bitcoin imo is the generational gift to the world.
'Crypto' needs to stop, get banned, be kicked out of Western financial systems and finally be done away it. It is 99.9% scams and unregistered securities and needs to stop.
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The answers to these type of questions, and I have lots of them, often lies within ourselves. You wonder why people do that, but most surely you engage in some sort of activity that others consider retarded, some quite common are drinking alcohol, over eating, spending money on useless gadgets...
I guess we all need some degree of retardness in our lives in order to not go nuts.
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That's true...
What I would say however is that there are very objective reasons why Bitcoin is great.
And why 99.9% of 'crypto' is full of scams, unregistered securities as well as insider trading and should be banned/kicked out of Western countries financial systems for good.
The logical conclusion I have is: Embrace Bitcoin, remove capital gains taxes on it and let the United States create a Bitcoin reserve by selling some or all of its 'gold' reserve. Teach it in the schools if possible.
And ban 'crypto' which is proof-of-air token, ponzi schemes, and securities fraud and sue the companies issuing currencies (for etc Ripple) into oblivion and kick them out of financial systems.
Is that objective? Drinking a bit too much ok. Eating a bit too much OK... but unregistered securities are NOT ok.
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"free market" will determine the best use case
As Bitcoin is unstoppable, so is BRC at this moment. The free market will decide.
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So in other words... create tens of millions of doggy coins using random lines of JSON to gamble on... by idiots.
They're not scarce, not decentralized, they have no 'use' relative to Spot Bitcoin as a store of value...
They are a fiat + gambling scam and the vast majority of the people buying them will lose money they are a complete waste of time.
It would be like saying 'hey let's see how the last Hawk Tuah coin goes' 'The market will decide'. Well how do 99.9% of memecoins turn out?
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Seriously, who thought it was a good idea to mess with the Bitcoin blockchain like this? BRC-20 and whatever BRC-721 wannabe exist have no business being on Bitcoin. It’s a blockchain built for sound money, not crappy token experiments.
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I agree. In answer to your question... scammers and fools. And my post was essentially about the why.
The only logical end result I can come up with... is that eventually the scammers + fools run out of money and fresh marks. There is no 'get rich quick' scheme
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People rarely think deeply about a topic. Instead, they only focus on the latest xyz token that’s pumping and the thought of that same token crashing does not cross their mind.
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Well why not buy penny stocks? Throw one's life savings into random penny stocks with 'cool names'?
I mean those will 'pump' right?
Or Asian/Chinese overseas stocks... or junk bonds? Or why not just go to Vegas and bet it all on Red?
I mean certainly betting it all on 'red' could pump too right?
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 9 Dec
Anyone saying that NFTs are 'here to stay'... is an idiot or a scammer or both.
NFTs are here to stay
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Well with all due respect... I stand by that anyone who says that who a) believes it or b) tries to get others to believe it is a scammer or a moron.
There is zero reason for 99.99% of "nfts" they are a complete and total scam for degen 'get rich quick' morons. They are NOT scarce and require ZERO energy or skill to make. Therefore their value is ZERO and they all go to zero it is 100% a complete and total grift.
Crypto is a fiat ponzi-like, unregistered-securities scheme for 'get-rich-quick' morons marketed to morons and NFTs are the cover page of this.
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BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE RETARDED
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We can overlook damn *****oiners.
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @scatman 9 Dec
So you stopped shitcoining yourself? #788785
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I stopped a long time ago, when don't even remember. A lot of Bitcoiners have been there at some stage. You just have to look ahead not behind.
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People are frail and insecure. They believe that wealth will bring security and they are partly correct. So when they are told shitcoins could bring wealth quickly...
Why did you buy Bitcoin? - Be honest.
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100% honest. Because I thought it was a great store of energy. Everyone is looking to store energy through time and space, especially in a digital fashion (!) and before I read about bitcoin I didn't know anything like it existed.
It reminded me of the 'storing of energy' at work... except in a new, digital, and remarkable way
'everyone will want it' eventually whether they understand it now or not. and I still feel that way 100%. it has nothing to do with paper money
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Ok but most Bitcoiners start buying for less idealistic reasons.
Look on r/bitcoin or even here on SNs- most Bitcoiners are clearly primarily motivated by the hope of speculative gain.
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @guts 8 Dec
What's your opinion of colored coins
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I think they're dumb. Owning a certain 'utxo' which grants ownership of some 'property' or meatspace thing... cannot be enforced by a blockchain.
For example. You own a colored coin or 'token' which grants ownership of a piece of property in North Korea. What does that actually mean? Absolutely nothing.
Or... you own a token that 'represents' ownership of something valuable (a car house boat land etc) in a war-torn country. The country politically collapses and you 'flee the country' as a result.
What actual, real-world ownership, rights, and possession does that 'token' grant you then? Zero. Nothing. Absolutely nothing zero zilch
That's why so-called 'real world assets RWA' are stupid because if you 'flee the thing' you supposedly own in meat-space but have the 'token' to show you own it... it is completely worthless.
Cryptographic keys you can take with you. 'Tokens' to represent things don't work that way
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 9 Dec
It cannot be enforced by a blockchain but a blockchain is something that is immutable and everyone can verify, which are basically the ideal properties of a contract. Existing contracts on paper also don’t enforce anything by themselves. They are backed by legislation and legislation is enforced by men with guns.
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Ok then... scenario.
The 'men with guns' overthrow the parliament, government, governing body... and civil war breaks out.
You take your 'real world asset' coin that represents land ownership with you on the "last flight out". You land at your destination safe and sound. Do you still have the land?
No. It is in the hands of the new 'men with guns' and there's nothing you can do about it. The 'real world asset' coin is worthless.
On the other hand... your memorize a Bitcoin private key and take it with you on the 'last flight out' of country.
Can the 'men with guns' in the country you just escaped from take your capital, your property, your Bitcoin remotely?
No they can't.
And that's why 'real world assets' and all the 'crypto' assets associated with it are a complete scam pushed by morons. It's all worthless and goes to zero.
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Because majority of people are idiots
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But doesn't make any sense. Why... do it?
Creating 'memecoins' (which are just small amounts of data attached to Op_return) outputs is incredibly inefficient, slow, expensive, and 99.9% of them are worthless. The people who 'make' them or buy them lose money...
They are infinitely reproducible, infinitely non-scarce, not directly proof-of-work and all technically identical except for their name... which is dumb.
Noone is planning to use them as money or a store of value... they are completely arbitrary. Those a losing 'investment' 99.9% of the time.
So why do people want them? And to the extent that they do, why not make them on Liquid (for lower fees) or Solana or any random chain where the fees are lower and they can gamble on random coin-names?
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High time preference gambling mindset.
They think they can flip those tokens back and forth for large profits.
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It doesn't work though. The vast majority of 'day-traders' lose money and trading memecoins even more so
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10 sats \ 8 replies \ @ama 8 Dec
But doesn't make any sense. Why... do it?
Because they can. I wouldn't do it myself. But I very much value that others can do whatever they want and nobody can prevent it. Bitcoin is wonderful.
They need permission to do it on Solana or Ethereum for they are centralised, so they might prefer to use a truly decentralized and permission-less network like Bitcoin or Litecoin.
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Creating shitcoins on Ethereum and Solana is permissionless.
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0 sats \ 5 replies \ @ama 8 Dec
It is not. If their owners want they have the option to prevent it or reverse it.
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Depends on how the smart contract is programmed
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @ama 8 Dec
Regardless.
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Can you tell me from who I have to ask a permission to create my own token on e.g. Ethereum?
It is completely permissionless? and cheaper than on Bitcoin they should do it there
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