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I know what you mean. Some things sound collectivist that are not. I'm referring to the way the term is used but also trying to make the point it happens spontaneously as well. Money, law, and order predate the state and outside of it. MoE is no different.

Can we agree it is a MoE, just not (yet) widely used? :)

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I said that in my post...

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again, we agree.
i'm poking the schools

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The schools don’t have all the answers, either. They get their answers from individuals’ reasoning.

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Maybe, better to say, it's not a MoE in the collective unconsciousness?

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That would be the best way to say it, but this “collective” term is not an optimum way to explain anything that involves true freedom.

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Well said. A “collectivist” thought or thought pattern cannot exist in a world of humans because every human is an individual. Bees and ants are a bit different, though. They have a “collective”.

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