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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @ek 17 Dec \ parent \ on: Is ecash private enough for dark markets? privacy
So lightning "receiver privacy" is better, in this respect, than monero.
What about the IP address of the receiver? Isn't that gossiped around?
Two darknet markets that support lightning
Are there people who sell weed on Bisq2 or Robosats?
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44 sats \ 0 replies \ @supertestnet 17 Dec
What about the IP address of the receiver? Isn't that gossiped around?
No. The recipient's node is not exposed to the network unless you specifically configure your node to route payments, and even then, you can use tor to hide your IP.
Are there people who sell weed on Bisq2 or Robosats?
I haven't seen any.
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32 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 17 Dec
What about the IP address of the receiver? Isn't that gossiped around?
Mhh ok, I guess you can avoid that by running your node only on Tor.
But still: All arguments about receiver privacy on lightning seem to ignore that it's still much easier to achieve privacy on monero since it is private by default. For example, with monero, you don't need to run a Lightning node to receive payments.
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11 sats \ 0 replies \ @supertestnet 4h
it's still much easier to achieve privacy on monero since it is private by default
I think this leads people to get arrested. The monero users who got arrested in October (link) probably assumed that by merely using monero, they couldn't be tracked. But if you aren't careful in many other respects, you can be.
  • You have to be careful to use tor to communicate with your peers
  • You have to be careful who you peer with
  • You have to be careful to remix your old utxos frequently so they don't stick out
  • You have to be careful not to create a transaction that spends utxos that you received "close together"
Similar considerations apply to lightning. Neither network protects you if you are careless in these other regards. Comments like "monero is untraceable by default" or "if you want privacy, just use monero and you're done" might very easily get people arrested if they believe them and then don't take care of their privacy in other respects.
It's similar with lightning; you can't "just use lightning" if you want decent privacy. But it offers better tools than what you get on monero.
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