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Is anyone planning on reading this? I'm on the fence. I'm not a huge fan of economic fiction. I also don't find the premise incredibly interesting either.

Thoughts?

I was thinking of reading it just to get an idea of how he thinks about this topic. But Saif have become so pro China I’m not certain he’s thinking clearly

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Do you have any receipts of that? I listened to John Perkins on his show a while back but he didn't sound pro China to me. Not even a little bit.

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This is the one!

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Interesting. If by pro-China you mean he was signaling that he's a fan of the CCP, I'd have to disagree. If by pro-China you mean he was saying they had success in gaining a foothold across the globe in ways that are superior(less violent) to how the US has went about it then yeah. I'd agree. But I would never call that being pro-China.

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So we just going to memory hole the millions the CCP slaughtered to rise the power? Just because they build a few infrastructure projects across the globe to countries who can never pay it back in the 2000s all is forgiven.

What foothold did they gain? Did they actually improve any place they supposedly helped?

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Wow, of course not. I didn't hear that at all and I for sure don't think it either.

Perkins wrote a book about how the US government and multinational corps have manipulated elections and destroyed economies and environments around the globe for profit. They started talking about how China has learned from what the US did and has been very successful at gaining a foothold in the global south.

I don't think what China is doing is good and I would bet sats that Perkins and Saif do not either. In fact, I am pretty sure they were both pretty clear about that. They did disagree about how the US has more power due to the the dollar but I didn't take anything from that episode that was pro-China.

The CCP is terrible and I don't think their infrastructure projects around the globe cover that up. Its kinda wild that you are hearing that from that episode and me. One can be critical of the US gov and not be praising the Chinese Communist Party. One can and should be critical of both. I'm not saying the US is worse either.

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I had the feeling that Saif was being pretty defensive of China's intent in that episode. But that may also just be a contrarian mindset thing.

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The thing that surprised me during the Perkins episode was how Saif seemed to oppose the cuts to USAID. Wasn't expecting that.

Case of mistaken identity:

I was referencing this podcast:

https://fountain.fm/episode/A27KDS3VBlKEtTVLpwQD

Nomad capitalist (AKA tell me your a radical materialist with out telling me you are one) Andrew Henderson.

Men like this all they care about are the comforts of life soon as the going gets tough they flee like girls.

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Haven't listened to it. I don't listen to most of the episodes of that show but Perkins is interesting and not your typical bitcoin podcast guest. From the left to boot. Was glad to hear he is open to bitcoin and going to speak at a bitcoin conf. I disagree with him on some things but there's a lot of common ground I find with him and his book really opened my eyes to what is wrong with the relationship of the US gov and corporations. This was before bitcoin was invented too.

I used to tell developers that tried to convince me of their exotic "standards": your standard is merely a proposition if it isn't used widely. I feel this applies outside of software too.

A fictional standard is a contradictio in terminis?

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I like that

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I would rather pound my balls flat with a hammer.

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I tried to be diplomatic, but I'm with you.

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Why would he theme the cover after his other non-fiction books? I think he should have at least drastically changed the background color to differentiate them.

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I thought the same thing. I was shocked to hear it was fiction this morning.

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I'm almost sure you know this site, but if not...check it ;)

https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

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Yes, but it's a good one

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yes.

I'm tots game for counterfactual history

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Feels like a newbie book. I’ll pass and stack sats instead.

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His books are all open source, so you can download them for free. He just doesn't advertise it on his website.

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Yes, every developer does this as well.

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Then eventually going back to The Bitcoin Standard, because that's the standard.

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